Not hating on open source, just let people use what fits their expectations and needs and stop deterring them with gatekeeping :P
UX = user experience
This one dude has made this app for years and constantly updates it, fixes things, is responsive, and makes a great app. He’s now been more loyal to his users longer than Reddit has, and I personally have used his app daily for 13 years.
Yeah, I’ll happily pay for it.
FOSS is great but it doesn’t pay the rent people, this guy is doing this mostly as his main gig. This isn’t some huge corpo, it’s one guy who makes his living building the app he loves. I’m sure he’d love to make it FOSS if he didn’t have to pay bills on anything.
FOSS can pay the rent. But the users that will complain about £20 for a lifetime of ad removal, definitely aren’t going to be the ones that help him should the bank come calling about late mortgage payments.
This is the same crap I left /r/Linux for way back in the day, so so so many people who are all “This is the best way you are all stupid for doing it” but unable to see realities. Yes, of course I love linux and FOSS, I use it as my primary driver, but we live in a society where free work doesn’t pay for housing.
You’re exactly right, most of the “FOSS Open Source supreme” people will look at an app that was lovingly crafted for months, call it garbage, and then demand they make it free. I just can’t even with them.
Meanwhile I’d love to see the stats on how many hours a week they put into FOSS apps on their own, and if they’ve given up their jobs to code for FOSS apps for the good of the community.
I think the issue a lot of folks have is people like yourself always connecting it back to profit/salary. A large portion of us are interested in Linux/technology/foss for personal reasons and this corporate stuff not only reeks but makes enough noise to drown out better long term solutions. Yes I do it professionally too and yes I fight the good fight but we do what we need to do, this dude does not need to do this. UX really just isn’t important when we’re talking about expanding human capabilities, or I should say UX is important but pretty things aren’t. My opinion anyway but I was raised to care about this stuff by one of those wizard beards so to see your attitude is prevalent just sucks, no disrespect and nothing personal.
That’s fine as your opinion, but it’s not a popular one. Many people tried lemmy and left almost immediately because they want a better UI. We come from the old usenet boards so we know what UI was like back then, but now people expect a great UI/UX to use a service. So yes, I understand the principals, but we shouldn’t demonize people who pay money for a better experience, and if you’re a developer I’m sure you know that a good UX costs some money, but a great UX costs a lot of money.
“Free and Open Source Software Open Source supreme”?
Lemmy doesn’t have ads. If you have to pay to remove them don’t you think something is wrong with that? Why not pay for the community and useful features instead?
The ads finance the app, I think that’s perfectly fine (in principle).
I asked the dev a few weeks ago, this app is literally his livelihood. And he has a pretty good track record of delivering good software. Why not support him?
If you think more ads is the solution that’s good for you. Ads are society’s cancer, so I have little choice other than to block it. (Paying to get rid of ads perpetuates the idea that ads are profitable. That’s up to you.)
So the three options for him to keep developing that we know of are 1) Ads 2) Pay for a license or 3) Fundraising. He offers 1 and 2, and 3 is well known to not work, seriously nobody donates. Check out
npm fundand how so little people used it that they just removed it.If your only argument is “I deserve things that took a lot of time and effort for free” then you aren’t getting much sympathy from me.
If your only argument is “I deserve things that took a lot of time and effort for free” then you aren’t getting much sympathy from me.
Well, the user is posting from the piracy instance
ha
Check out npm fund
Instructions unclear, I ran the command and now I have a shitcoin called Bitcoin Cash.
You’re not paying to remove ads from Lemmy. You can continue using Lemmy ad-free on mobile via the mobile site or any of the other PWA’s or native apps. What you’re paying to remove ads from is Sync. The developer has decided that they need to be compensated to sustain the amount of effort developing and maintaining the app requires. If you don’t want to pay that price with cash or your eyeballs then don’t use it.
Nobody is forcing you to use Sync, nobody is forcing you to see ads. The beauty of a platform like Lemmy is you have the choice to use whatever client you want. That doesn’t mean you’re entitled to any of them.
So for one he’s adding an option to fund your instance as well, but also just because it’s an app doesn’t mean that it also doesn’t require money.
Your argument doesn’t come off as “so both should be free” but to me more like “oh yeah I’m surprised Lemmy doesn’t have an ad option”
I’ve been on open source since the early 90s. I know damn well how people make money off of it and who makes money off of it.
I support none of it if it starts including tracking and ads. It goes against the whole mindset. Google fanboys love it though.
Then pay to remove the ads. Someone has to pay at some point and it’s either you or the guy already spending his time to make the app.
That’s why there is an option to disable ads… Everyone wins unless they think this person’s work should be distributed for free.
Upvoted via Sync lol. FOSS is great, FOSS is irreplaceable, but for independent programmers FOSS doesn’t pay the rent.
You can make it FOSS and still have some sort of subscription for syncing between devices for example. Tasks.org did it like that.
Not to mention that you can run something on donations like lichess or F-Droid and have some extra money.
NPM did donations too and found that <0.01% of users paid anything, and the average for even the most used packages made on average $40 a month. That doesn’t pay a full time fry cook, let alone developer
This meme just explained the post meme to me
The three stages of a long-term FOSS user:
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How the fuck do I do anything? I’m so lost.
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I’ve somewhat mastered how to use it and became a power user. I’m happy about this, I’ve developed a sense of superiority over those who don’t use it, and will now promote it constantly to others like a goddamn cult. My SO has left me and my family has disowned me, but I don’t care, they are too ignorant to be as enlightened as I am.
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(A decade or two later) I don’t even give a fuck anymore what somebody uses, this still works for me, and what works for you, works for you. Let’s just all coexist.
It’s been like this since the mid-90s. Most of the people who are being annoying about it are in stage 2.
Thank you. Exactly what is happening and why I’m so exhausted. Feels like the stupid Mac vs Windows debates back in the day, with the even more annoying Linux users.
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I don’t think apps have to be FOSS. It’s super important for libraries, frameworks and other infrastrucuture related stuff to be FOSS, but you can always change a client.
The great part of the fediverse is that everyone can use whatever they want. Personally I stick to Foss clients though.
Everyone is always promoting that app, so I don’t understand why y’all are butthurt when anyone complains about it.
It’s almost like the internet is a collective of different voices and not one unified entity…
Don’t forget this is a community built around Open Source software with many refugees who came because proprietary apps were forced on them.
The Lemmy protocol is open source and you’re free to use an open source solution. You’re free to use sync for Lemmy in much the same way you can run a Spotify client in Linux. One does not destroy the other.
Tldr if you don’t like it, don’t use it.
Yeah yeah, but OP made a post about it so I thought I’d add some of the reasoning behind people being that way. I don’t care what app people use as long as I can use the one I like.
but shouldn’t I go online and complain about it loudly?
How will anyone know I exist if they can’t hear (or read) my bitching?!?
This is not a proprietary app (in the first party terms, it’s still a 3rd party app)
- Yes Okay I get it, yes it’s proprietary, but I’m saying everyone was gleefully using proprietary 3rd party apps on Reddit, Apollo was proprietary, RIF was proprietary, proprietary was not forced on anyone. 1st party apps were forced on us all.
- This is literally one of the apps Reddit killed off
- It’s literally not being forced on anyone
But it is proprietary. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software
There are FOSS alternatives available. I personally use Jerboa daily.
Yeah I’m aware of the alternatives but I thought it could do with some rationale as to why people aren’t overly impressed with Sync as they were on Reddit. Nothing against the app tbh, happy with the one I have.
FOSS or die
#NoFOSSNoFuss
Can I lift that blank template off you bruv that’s a funny meme
@THED4NIEL Use whatever tools you want for yourself, EXCEPT for communication. For communication it needs at least two people and the other party now has to use software that doesn’t respect their freedom just to communicate with you.
Proprietary software is a cancer.
I had cancer 5 years ago mate. Proprietary software is okay if you enjoy using it.
Seems like it really won you over.
This guy is into something
Personally I think it’s people like you that dictate how others should act and tell them what they’re allowed to enjoy to be the cancer. There’s a reason the world hates dictators.
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nothing, rhey just want money for their work
Sync is a fine choice if you want to spend a ridiculous amount of money for an app that has 100 percent free alternatives, and also knowing that plenty of other third party Reddit app developers are working on Lemmy apps right now.
Absolutely nothing wrong with giving away a ton of money for no reason. Have fun!
Hard agree. $100 is a lot for a simple reddit app when there are multiple just as good alternatives available for free. It’s not a large amount but not a small amount either specially for people who are living in economically weaker countries.
Except Sync is way more polished than a lot of the others, has a developer I’ve trusted for years, has more features…
Also in what world do you live in where $17 a year is a lot of money, or $100 for lifetime? Is it the year 1899? We’re over here complaining about Netflix closing in on $20 a month and you’re complaining about $100 for a forever license?
No $17 a year isn’t a lot. But it is a lot for something you can get for free.
hence why it’s pretty great that there’s a lifetime license…
You know I can’t afford fancy clothes. So I just wear cheaper brands. I don’t tell everyone wearing fancy clothes that there are cheaper brands available, I just let them be them and wear what they like. Maybe if I could afford it I would wear them too.
Really struggling to see everybody’s problem in the thread. If you don’t want to pay for an app don’t. If you’re happy with a less polished app use that. Why is everyone so intent on controlling what others should and shouldn’t do when it has absolute zero bearing on them?
I’m a Dev, I spend lots of my time in Linux, some might call me a power user I’ve been doing it for a lot of years, probably longer than most. Yet I use windows on my personal machine, I use windows because I like the polish, I spend all my time fucking around in Linux to get stuff working stuff that just works out the box in other os. I get why Linux is good I get why people like it, personally I like an easier life, I don’t want to spend 2 hours configuring some container to play a game or piece of software that would just work on windows. It’s part of what you pay for. The apps are much the same, I’ve tried many of the Lemmy apps since I moved here, some better than others all fairly decent but sync has a polish and presentation that is unmatched (in my personal opinion, your experience may be different) and I’m happy to compensate a developer for his time spent building the app, he gets to eat I get to mindlessly scroll it’s win win. Well it is until people start shitting their opinions all over the place.
