• @[email protected]
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    32 years ago

    At least it’s something new instead of a method that has failed to bring about socialism time and time again through history. All those transitory government systems just end up being dictatorships that give as much power to the workers as the fucking US, less even.

    You will never achieve socialism if you just prop up a ruling class with vastly different class interests, they will never cede power to the workers.

    • brain_in_a_box [he/him]
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      192 years ago

      It’s very far from new, and it has failed entirely to bring about socialism time and time again through history.

      You will never achieve socialism if you just passively support the status quo while condemning all forms of AES for not being pure enough.

      • @[email protected]
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        22 years ago

        What I support is workers organising. What I don’t support is Stalinist strongmen oppressing workers. Socialism without power of the workers is meaningless and not worth achieving, that’s literally the current system. If I wanted capitalism with socialist aesthetics I can just move to China, that already exists. What I want is actual power to the workers and nothing else.

        • JamesConeZone [they/them]
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          152 years ago

          Workers had more power and say in democracy in the USSR then they have ever had in a Western capitalist country, and American police are more brutal, more violent, more repressive, and kill more people than any “strong men” under Stalin. You’ve consumed too much anti-communist propaganda.

          • @[email protected]
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            12 years ago

            No, me and my family lived under Soviet rule in an annexed satellite state. Workers had no power here, people who were friendly to high ranking party members had power and if workers did not comply they got sent to slave camps in siberia where they were not likely to return.

            I really don’t care about the US and it’s quite weird how literally everyone who is trying to paint the USSR in a good light says that with no prompting. Like lung cancer is also bad but bringing that up in every single conversation about anything is weird.

              • @[email protected]
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                22 years ago

                You attributed some failed strategy to me and then accused me of purity testing states that are only aesthetically socialist. That response had nothing to do with what I said.

                • brain_in_a_box [he/him]
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                  72 years ago

                  You attributed the failed strategy to yourself, and I accused you of it because that’s exactly what you were doing. That’s a response, to your comment.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    22 years ago

                    As you yourself said: it’s untainted by existing practice, there is no existing strategy as in its new. In relation to the numerous failed attempts at socialism through dictatorship it’s better to try something new and not keep shooting the working class in the foot.

            • @[email protected]
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              12 years ago

              Hexbear users don’t operate in good faith so no point in actually trying to engage them in good faith. They will wear you out if you do.