Okay, let me spell it out, yet again, since people still apparently don’t get it: making a tactical decision to avoid expressing criticism during an election is not the same thing as being perfectly happy with what the party is doing. It’s harm reduction, not agreement.
No, in terms of proximate causes, failure to perform harm reduction did that.
If you wanted to actually fix the Democrats’ neoliberal bullshit, the time for that was in 2021-early 2024, not fucking October! Screeching about third-parties in October was purely pro-fascist concern trolling.
That “tactical decision” enabled the democrats to sleepwalk into oblivion.
The only way the democrats could have won the last election is if they stopped trying to be “reasonable republicans” and instead used every tool available to accomplish what their constituents want. Like what the republicans are doing, but for good things like women’s healthcare and not drowning migrant children in the Rio.
And there was exactly 0% chance of screeching “don’t vote for Kamala” in October accomplishing that, and everyone knew it. The only motivation for continuing to screech at that point was to concern troll in favor of Trump.
Nobody was screeching “don’t vote for Kamala”, we were telling Kamala what she needed to do to win. Instead she listened to the same campaign that killed Biden’s shot and we all lost because of it.
Nothing I could have done would have made genocide popular. Nothing I could have done would have made Kamala pledging to build the wall and get tough on crime look like anything but an admission that Trump was right the whole time.
Damn all those centrists shouting down progressives sounding the alarm about the Palestinian Genocide in Gaza look really fucking pathetic right now, turns out it was a fire alarm that needed to be rung and centrist losers took the side of the fire rather than do it.
The Democratic Party needs to be burned down I am afraid.
That means 71% of non-Harris voters rejected her for reasons other than Gaza. Your citation doesn’t prove what you think it proves.
The Democratic Party needs to be burned down I am afraid.
I’m not even disagreeing with you! But permanently destroying your ability to ever replace it with anything better by plunging the US into fascist dictatorship was not the way to do it!
That means 71% of non-Harris voters rejected her for reasons other than Gaza.
Do you not understand the concept of a plurality? facepalm
I am getting tired of explaining this, I am a white caucasian leftist born in the US, I voted for Kamala even though I had massive reservations about the genocide, the reason people like me were sounding the alarm is because we hadn’t lobotimized our ability to empathize with Palestinian americans, arab americans and Palestians themselves (also all the jews against this too!) and understood this was a catastrophic, losing strategy.
Do you not understand that there’s an absolute, fundamental difference between:
“Harris needs to change her position on Gaza to win more support”
vs.
“Don’t vote for Harris; she supports genocide”
?
The former is legitimate criticism of Democrats. The latter is pro-fascist, pro-even-more-genocide concern trolling.
And before you try to say “but threatening to withhold our vote was our leverage”–NO. You DID NOT HAVE that leverage, not after the primaries were over and not with Trump as the only alternative! The stakes – the continuation of American democracy itself, on top of even more brutal destruction of Gaza – were too high for that threat to be credible, and everyone knew it. (In other words, anybody who would actually follow through on that threat was deliberately choosing more harm for Gaza and thus was never on their side to begin with.)
Facilitating genocide and calling all the politically-activated college students who would have been making up the dem’s ground game if not at least phonebanking, antisemites for whom free speech doesn’t apply were just a few of dozens of decisions the dems chose, knowing they would decrease turnout.
The dems lost because they thought they didn’t have to listen to their constituents to win.
Okay, let me spell it out, yet again, since people still apparently don’t get it: making a tactical decision to avoid expressing criticism during an election is not the same thing as being perfectly happy with what the party is doing. It’s harm reduction, not agreement.
Harm reduction had led is to our first openly fascist President.
No, in terms of proximate causes, failure to perform harm reduction did that.
If you wanted to actually fix the Democrats’ neoliberal bullshit, the time for that was in 2021-early 2024, not fucking October! Screeching about third-parties in October was purely pro-fascist concern trolling.
That “tactical decision” enabled the democrats to sleepwalk into oblivion.
The only way the democrats could have won the last election is if they stopped trying to be “reasonable republicans” and instead used every tool available to accomplish what their constituents want. Like what the republicans are doing, but for good things like women’s healthcare and not drowning migrant children in the Rio.
And there was exactly 0% chance of screeching “don’t vote for Kamala” in October accomplishing that, and everyone knew it. The only motivation for continuing to screech at that point was to concern troll in favor of Trump.
Nobody was screeching “don’t vote for Kamala”, we were telling Kamala what she needed to do to win. Instead she listened to the same campaign that killed Biden’s shot and we all lost because of it.
Nothing I could have done would have made genocide popular. Nothing I could have done would have made Kamala pledging to build the wall and get tough on crime look like anything but an admission that Trump was right the whole time.
No, you weren’t. Gaza was not the reason she lost.
Actually, it was literally the largest reason she lost according to polling?
https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling
Damn all those centrists shouting down progressives sounding the alarm about the Palestinian Genocide in Gaza look really fucking pathetic right now, turns out it was a fire alarm that needed to be rung and centrist losers took the side of the fire rather than do it.
The Democratic Party needs to be burned down I am afraid.
That means 71% of non-Harris voters rejected her for reasons other than Gaza. Your citation doesn’t prove what you think it proves.
I’m not even disagreeing with you! But permanently destroying your ability to ever replace it with anything better by plunging the US into fascist dictatorship was not the way to do it!
Do you not understand the concept of a plurality? facepalm
I am getting tired of explaining this, I am a white caucasian leftist born in the US, I voted for Kamala even though I had massive reservations about the genocide, the reason people like me were sounding the alarm is because we hadn’t lobotimized our ability to empathize with Palestinian americans, arab americans and Palestians themselves (also all the jews against this too!) and understood this was a catastrophic, losing strategy.
Do you not understand that there’s an absolute, fundamental difference between:
“Harris needs to change her position on Gaza to win more support”
vs.
“Don’t vote for Harris; she supports genocide”
?
The former is legitimate criticism of Democrats. The latter is pro-fascist, pro-even-more-genocide concern trolling.
And before you try to say “but threatening to withhold our vote was our leverage”–NO. You DID NOT HAVE that leverage, not after the primaries were over and not with Trump as the only alternative! The stakes – the continuation of American democracy itself, on top of even more brutal destruction of Gaza – were too high for that threat to be credible, and everyone knew it. (In other words, anybody who would actually follow through on that threat was deliberately choosing more harm for Gaza and thus was never on their side to begin with.)
Facilitating genocide and calling all the politically-activated college students who would have been making up the dem’s ground game if not at least phonebanking, antisemites for whom free speech doesn’t apply were just a few of dozens of decisions the dems chose, knowing they would decrease turnout.
The dems lost because they thought they didn’t have to listen to their constituents to win.
Funny, because I still see democrats blaming pro-palestine protestors for her loss