Amid growing concerns over Big Tech firms aligning with Trump administration policies, people are starting to move their digital lives to services based overseas. Here's what you need to know.
You want me to list every US tech company that provides an online service? That’s absurd. Am I supposed to be proving that there are more than three companies in the USA that do this?
You’re getting met with hostility because you are being unimaginably rude and dismissive.
Your original statement was that you would just pirate everything, and you’ve been as several times now how you plan to pirate Wikipedia how you plan to pirate Salesforce or Cloudflair. You can’t because those services aren’t just the downloadable files, they’re servers, and ongoing constant updates. “Lol Pirate it” is not an answer, it doesn’t even make sense. It’s like saying that the solution to expensive healthcare is to just pirate medical treatments.
Other than three of the largest tech companies in the world that encompass services from social media to maps to email?
Well there’s X, Amazon, Reddit, Microsoft, Oracle, Broadcom, Salesforce, Intuit, Cisco, Palo Alto, Ubiquiti, and CloudFlare. There’s a total of 15 examples, not counting subsidiaries of these companies, nor breaking them down by product like YouTube, Gmail, Twitch, Maps, Azure, AWS, VMWare, etc.
To those what? Those are the American companies behind the services, the actual list of services and products those companies provide would take awhile to list out. Then each one of those products or services is going to have 1-3 alternatives at least. If you want some alternatives you’re going to have to narrow down your question, because like the guy you originally replied to said, there are a LOT of them. If you want a teaser, you’re making these comments on an alternative to one of the products of these companies right now.
The problem is Wikipedia is based in the US. Where editors are from doesn’t really matter. If Wikipedia gets taken down by the government the fact that I don’t live in the United States isn’t going to allow me to continue to update it. We would have to move everything over to a new platform outside the United States, so yeah I absolutely would include Wikipedia.
Most people who post on Facebook aren’t located in the US either
The difference between Wikipedia and Facebook is that Wikipedia content is under a Creative Commons license which allows the entire encyclopedia to be forked and the underlying software (MediaWiki) is free and open source. The entire Wikipedia database is continuously mirrored to servers in countries outside of the US, so Wikipedia can be resurrected in any other country if the situation you describe happens. In contrast, any Facebook content would be lost due to adverse government action.
Asking people to stop using Wikipedia is like asking people to stop using Linux because the Linux Kernel Organization is based in the US (California), despite Windows and macOS also being US-based. There’s no comparable non-US alternative to either Wikipedia or Linux, and the projects can be forked to different countries by their contributors without any action from the projects’ managing organizations. If you boycott Wikipedia, you also play into the hands of Elon Musk and other agitators who are attacking Wikipedia in an effort to redirect the public to right-wing US media sources.
Finally, part of my point was that Britannica is not an improvement over Wikipedia, because Britannica is also US-based. This is the reason I mentioned that Wikipedia editors are mostly from outside the US.
For example?
Other than apple google and facebook
Edit: Smooth, no examples. Stay classy.
You want me to list every US tech company that provides an online service? That’s absurd. Am I supposed to be proving that there are more than three companies in the USA that do this?
Any examples would suffice. But you’d have already done that if you’re replying in good faith.
You could start by reading the article you’re commenting on.
I obviously did, i said not the companies the article talks about.
You’re not as clever as you think you are.
I don’t think you are
Asking for alternatives shouldn’t be met with so much hostility. But please, carry on.
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You’re getting met with hostility because you are being unimaginably rude and dismissive.
Your original statement was that you would just pirate everything, and you’ve been as several times now how you plan to pirate Wikipedia how you plan to pirate Salesforce or Cloudflair. You can’t because those services aren’t just the downloadable files, they’re servers, and ongoing constant updates. “Lol Pirate it” is not an answer, it doesn’t even make sense. It’s like saying that the solution to expensive healthcare is to just pirate medical treatments.
Other than three of the largest tech companies in the world that encompass services from social media to maps to email?
Well there’s X, Amazon, Reddit, Microsoft, Oracle, Broadcom, Salesforce, Intuit, Cisco, Palo Alto, Ubiquiti, and CloudFlare. There’s a total of 15 examples, not counting subsidiaries of these companies, nor breaking them down by product like YouTube, Gmail, Twitch, Maps, Azure, AWS, VMWare, etc.
Thank you. What are the alternatives to those?
To those what? Those are the American companies behind the services, the actual list of services and products those companies provide would take awhile to list out. Then each one of those products or services is going to have 1-3 alternatives at least. If you want some alternatives you’re going to have to narrow down your question, because like the guy you originally replied to said, there are a LOT of them. If you want a teaser, you’re making these comments on an alternative to one of the products of these companies right now.
Ok. Thanks for the help…
Have a look at https://european-alternatives.eu/
Nice, thank you for a real answer. I appreciate it.
GitHub? Internet Archive? Wikipedia?
What are the alternatives to those?
Britannica is headquartered in the US (Chicago) and most Wikipedia editors are not from the US, so I wouldn’t count out Wikipedia so quickly.
Eh?
The problem is Wikipedia is based in the US. Where editors are from doesn’t really matter. If Wikipedia gets taken down by the government the fact that I don’t live in the United States isn’t going to allow me to continue to update it. We would have to move everything over to a new platform outside the United States, so yeah I absolutely would include Wikipedia.
Most people who post on Facebook aren’t located in the US either
The difference between Wikipedia and Facebook is that Wikipedia content is under a Creative Commons license which allows the entire encyclopedia to be forked and the underlying software (MediaWiki) is free and open source. The entire Wikipedia database is continuously mirrored to servers in countries outside of the US, so Wikipedia can be resurrected in any other country if the situation you describe happens. In contrast, any Facebook content would be lost due to adverse government action.
Asking people to stop using Wikipedia is like asking people to stop using Linux because the Linux Kernel Organization is based in the US (California), despite Windows and macOS also being US-based. There’s no comparable non-US alternative to either Wikipedia or Linux, and the projects can be forked to different countries by their contributors without any action from the projects’ managing organizations. If you boycott Wikipedia, you also play into the hands of Elon Musk and other agitators who are attacking Wikipedia in an effort to redirect the public to right-wing US media sources.
Finally, part of my point was that Britannica is not an improvement over Wikipedia, because Britannica is also US-based. This is the reason I mentioned that Wikipedia editors are mostly from outside the US.
Damn. We need a decentralized archive and encyclopedia badly.
Exactly, you tell me since I’m just giving you examples of US hosted services as you asked for.
Personally you could self host all three, but it would be a fairly expensive endeavour and you’d be operating on a brand new platform with no users.
How would i tell you when i asked you for the alternatives? That doesn’t make any sense.
Pray tell, how do you “pirate” a SSO service as you alluded to above?
No one asked for alternatives. We’re more interested in how you’re gonna “pirate” these things. Cheers!
I asked for alternatives. More than once. Cheers!