There sure is, including “vanguardism” which was what many conflate with totalitarianism because of how the Cold War shook out. Really, it was the success of anti-Communist propaganda in the Red Scares that has colored so much of our assumptions and talking points as well as the unbridled might of the American military to suppress and punish any nation that tried something other than subservience.
In what way would you classify the Chinese or Russian governments that these tankies support “communist?” That’s like believing that Nazis were a socialist party simply because that word is in the name.
Well that’s easy, I don’t. Looking at the actions of Putin or Xi Jinping and saying “this is a communist state that I fully endorse” doesn’t make sense to me. But I think there’s a lot of people that look at those countries through the historical lens and resonate with the aspirations and ideals of Marx and Lenin and other political thinkers of the era and get wrapped up in the association. And America has made it really easy to bash America, that tends to land you among modern and historical rivals.
At the extreme, sure. Authority/Anarchy isn’t a binary selection. (Fascism is an authoritarian position, specifically it’s a right-nationalist movement centered on cultural identity)
Pretty sure the one thing to say about fascism besides it being authoritarian is that it wants corporate control. Mussolini was debating calling it Corporatism.
And that is exactly the situation in Russia: it’s an
right-nationalist (“rescuing” suppressed people from the evil Ukraine - that one is super ironic because it’s exactly the same argumentation Germany used with the Sudetendeutsche)
authoritarian (arrests for holding up empty pieces of paper, drafting for the war - but only in the poor areas far away from Moscow) regime
centered on cultural identity (anti-gay laws, “restoring the CCCP”, persisting propaganda comparing the Ukraine war with WW2, "we have to defend ourselves from NATO)
It’s pretty late, so i don’t repeat the exercise for China or bring up more examples - i’m pretty sure that if you try to counter my points someone else will give you more examples.
At no point in here have I said that Russia isn’t a fascist state. It checks all the boxes: violent, authoritarian, nationalist, suppressing minorities and marginalized groups, single party, lots of corruption. You’re confusing my Communist sympathies with uncritical support for the modern regime dressed in red.
Hexbear is specifically the shitpost refuge of displaced terminally-online /r/chapotraphouse diaspora and it’s hard to parse the layers of irony and in-joke and I’m not invested enough in that community to try and fairly represent it here. I’m not surprised that people have an aversion to it but the amount of space it takes up in some people’s head here is bonkers. The goals and culture are very different than .ml.
If this were a lefty echo chamber people wouldn’t hate .ml but they do.
Idolizing authoritarian governments isn’t “left” no matter how much they might think it is.
Anarchism isn’t the only way to be a leftist.
There’s an awful lot of space between authoritarianism and anarchism.
There sure is, including “vanguardism” which was what many conflate with totalitarianism because of how the Cold War shook out. Really, it was the success of anti-Communist propaganda in the Red Scares that has colored so much of our assumptions and talking points as well as the unbridled might of the American military to suppress and punish any nation that tried something other than subservience.
In what way would you classify the Chinese or Russian governments that these tankies support “communist?” That’s like believing that Nazis were a socialist party simply because that word is in the name.
Well that’s easy, I don’t. Looking at the actions of Putin or Xi Jinping and saying “this is a communist state that I fully endorse” doesn’t make sense to me. But I think there’s a lot of people that look at those countries through the historical lens and resonate with the aspirations and ideals of Marx and Lenin and other political thinkers of the era and get wrapped up in the association. And America has made it really easy to bash America, that tends to land you among modern and historical rivals.
You ignore 50% of the political compass here - authoritarianism sucks just as much as fascism or unbridled capitalism.
At the extreme, sure. Authority/Anarchy isn’t a binary selection. (Fascism is an authoritarian position, specifically it’s a right-nationalist movement centered on cultural identity)
Pretty sure the one thing to say about fascism besides it being authoritarian is that it wants corporate control. Mussolini was debating calling it Corporatism.
And that is exactly the situation in Russia: it’s an
It’s pretty late, so i don’t repeat the exercise for China or bring up more examples - i’m pretty sure that if you try to counter my points someone else will give you more examples.
At no point in here have I said that Russia isn’t a fascist state. It checks all the boxes: violent, authoritarian, nationalist, suppressing minorities and marginalized groups, single party, lots of corruption. You’re confusing my Communist sympathies with uncritical support for the modern regime dressed in red.
If .ml were a lefty echo chamber people wouldn’t hate hexbear, but they do.
Hexbear is specifically the shitpost refuge of displaced terminally-online /r/chapotraphouse diaspora and it’s hard to parse the layers of irony and in-joke and I’m not invested enough in that community to try and fairly represent it here. I’m not surprised that people have an aversion to it but the amount of space it takes up in some people’s head here is bonkers. The goals and culture are very different than .ml.