And they’re already kissing Trump’s ass
And now Trump gets to be the one who saved TikTok, despite starting the process.
Democrats getting played by Republicans, a classic.
https://www.isdglobal.org/isd-publications/tiktok-and-white-supremacist-content/
No wonder why Trump wants to “save” TikTok. It has the stuff Republicans crave.
There’s still loads of bullshit surrounding the name. Hope your personal filters are up to the task the next 4 years.
It’s an own-goal for Biden - an unpopular law that starts being enforced the day before Trump gets to stop enforcing it.
Didn’t Biden specifically say that enforcement was up to Trump?
Spreading for awareness, I’ve been posting this in relevant threads for a week - This is all theater.
trump is going to “save” tik tok after starting the initial push to ban it (for the wrong reasons) to pretend he did something for you. Worst part is that all of the no/low info voters and non voters will eat it up.
It’s the equivalent of a person pushing you into the middle of the street and at the very last second, that same person tells the drivers to all stop. “Wow, I owe you my life!”
And now, this adds two layers:
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You think trump and the Supreme Court are colluding? now they get to say, nah uh!!! Even though again, this is all convoluted.
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trump gets to look “stronger” than the “highest court in the land” to help delude the next generation of low info tiktok folks.
P.s. The Chinese “protest” apps are going to mine the FUCK out of these millions of phones in the brief window they have them. Also, when the kids inevitably move back to tiktok, majority of them will leave these other apps installed on their phones, dormant and collecting in the background.
I think there’s an even simpler explanation: political debt to Jeff Yass (15% tiktok owner) and his cash for the 2024 campaign.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/donald-trump-jeff-yass
Trump doesn’t have the power to “save” TikTok.
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You know I could but seeing as you’re being an absolute twat for no reason at all, I’m sure it would be in vain to explain to you how Trump is not (yet) an emperor.
You openly represent yourself as a PhD, a cancer researcher, a college professor, more than that a department chair, with a public relations responsibility to your college… and you’re here in a tiktok thread calling me a twat in an open forum? And all in a passive defense of donald trump?
You literally just fabricated 100% of that. WTF is wrong with you?
Wow, so you’re saying that’s not you… So you’ve STOLEN this man’s identity? Uh oh…
Where how do I report this fake account?
Look out, the internet police has arrived! 👮♀️🚨🚔😂
Stop trying to distract everyone from what a twat you’re being.
Why does Trump need to pretend to do something for you?
Trump has your support no matter what. He will rape children but you’ll line up to vote for him.
With that said he’s already in office. Your opinion is meaningless to him. He already got what he needed from you.
Stop trying to find reason in a situation devoid of reason. You’re clinging to that for personal comfort, if you feel like you can wrap it with a bow, you feel in control of it. You’re not.
He’s a broken narcissist and a psychopath. His dad didn’t love him and told him so. He’ll spend every worthless day of his life trying to get his dead dad to say “I was wrong about you”, and of course, his dad is dead so that won’t happen (wouldn’t have anyway, as that guy was likely an even bigger piece of shit, just not born with money like trump was so didn’t reach the same heights).
So ask yourself why you don’t realize the above. If there’s an end to this presidency, or if say he gets diagnosed with a terminal disease, there’s a non-zero chance he launches all of the nukes with the hope of a worldwide nuclear holocaust - because at the end of the day, if his life was ending, and you told trump he could press a button and be sure that nobody was laughing at him after death, posthumously convicting him of crimes or just pissing on his grave, he’d kill every single person on the chance.
A stranger’s opinion is meaningless to him? Brother, it’s fucking everything to him.
Nice doom posting bro 👍
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Oh hey look, a strawman!
While there is a logical fallacy here I don’t think it’s a straw man.
It’s some form of two wrongs make a right.
Nobody made the argument they were responding to, they made it themselves and then posted a picture “owning” it
That’s strawmanning
I always wanted to ask but haven’t been able to until now…
When you’re building the strawman, do you do it while the straw is still wet and then wait for it to dry or do you wait for the straw to cure first and then build it?
I’d imagine fungus would be a key reason in the choice but I’m still unsure about the process and figured I’d ask an expert…
Thanks in advance!
Fun fact about straw, you have to keep the bales dry, because if they get wet they start to decompose, which generates heat, and since straw traps air, it’s insulating, meaning it can get hot enough to catch fire!
After looking up a few tutorials for making a scarecrow, it looks like using dried filling is best.
Comparing the spying that both of these countries do on innocent citizens, as if they are anything alike, is demented.
It’s not apples to apples. It’s comparing an orange to the sun.
You’re right, the us govt captures all internet traffic, all calls, all texts, and has complete subpoena power for all companies that interact with anything in the us; while deploying drones, planes, and satellites that watch us citizens; while encouraging citizens to sell each other out to the government.
It’s not comparable.
I’m starting to think of Trump as one of those old school firefighters that would set fires and then swoop in to put the fire out lol.
He was one of the first people saying to ban it in 2020. To me it’s more like he is easily swayed with lobbying so it ends up looking like he is a pioneer on pushing new policy when in actuality he is the first person people go to when they need to bribe a politician.
This is not unique to Trump. Politicians say “they changed their views” if there is enough oil to grease wheels.
Otherwise known by the modern term: Grifter
Except it doesn’t have the capability to put out fires, so it just starts them, then declares having put them out and leaves them burning
Yeah, but the ban passed with overwhelming bipartisan support, randomly jammed inside of the global military spending package including funding the Ukrainian war effort and the genocide in Gaza (which is a must-support bill for Democrats and Republicans alike I guess).
He absolutely is. All presidents are.
Those type of firefighters exists in droves still because that is not an old-school thing.
It’s likely just staged bullshit so he can be the savior.
The entirety of global capitalism is lining up to bend the knee and gargle fascist balls.
This is what leftists have been warning forever. Capitalism wants the monopolies, bailouts — the political, financial and military backing, etc — that state-capitalist dictatorships provide. Democratically elected governments, acting in the interests of the people, are really the only threat to the corporate oligarchies wealth and power.
All of the wests “enemies” are equally supportive of fascism, because state-capitalist dictators are easier to influence (bribe).
Surreal watching the rest of the internet freaking out. Meanwhile we are just sitting here on our own platforms doing our own things.
Personally, I never saw the appeal of TikTok anyway.
Then again I also was never interested in Twitter.
I guess my attention span isn’t short enough for that type of sites.
I would scroll a bit after someone linked me a video. Content was fun, but after like 3 minutes, I could feel something wrong in my brain. Like just the nonstop influx of content with no breaks. You might think one video was faked, but you didn’t have enough time to contemplate it before another shows up in its place.
I have some friends who spend hours on it. I can’t imagine deciding to participate in that for so long.
Short video formats on all platforms make me very quickly feel like I’m going crazy. Just one voice after another, trying to cram whatever they have to say into your ears, or one joke taken out of context, or one simplistic moral, or absurdist humor that wouldn’t hold up for longer than a few seconds. My partner watches endless “reels” on Facebook, and that hurried talking they all do, with all those cuts to make sure there’s no gap between words, makes me fell very weird and agitated. It’s like everyone has the same voice. And then it keeps looping. I waste far too much time on Lemmy but the short video stuff seems like another level of brain melt.
I wouldn’t say that I don’t see the appeal of it. I would probably get sucked right in if I gave it a shot. It’s a consciouss decision on my part to simply not do that. I don’t not-consume short-form media because I’m better than the people who do, I prohibit it from myself.
Drag gave youtube shorts a try when it came out, and then installed an extension to disable them because they’re boring.
I’m right there with you, but I don’t see a compelling reason why either should be banned.
TikTok has tons of issues but this bugs me so much. There are many examples of people sharing their creativity, their skill, their knowledge, their passion to the world on tiktok and it’s so good at exposing you to it if you are interested in seeing all kinds of people expressing themselves.
Since when does the value of content correlate directly with the amount of time it consumes?
is brevity no longer the soul of wit??
If they want to share all of that, what hinders them to start an actual blog?
I actually help run a blog, so I know first hand how many barriers there are between a blogger and their audience and it’s getting worse all the time. These days even if you do make good content that people are looking for, the search engines summarize your content or rank higher content which has scraped your content and summarized it.
that’s even if you have the skills to set up a blog and the resources to fund it. Not everyone has that and if they don’t, does that mean their content shouldn’t be seen?
trust me, I wish the Internet was different but with things like TikTok, you just have to focus on making your content and it takes care of bringing it to the people. With a blog, you really need to seek people out and a lot of people are turned off by self-promotion.
And yeah, I know there’s an argument that people shouldn’t need other’s validation or attention for their art but also as a creative person it is demoralizing to make stuff that no one ever sees.
What hinders them to start a newspaper column?
is brevity no longer the soul of wit??
Maybe, if that’s your only goal.
Trying to make any sort of nuanced or subtle point about anything important is pretty much impossible in such an artificially limited format, though.
Sure, simple political memes can be done in a compact frame, but actually discussing the framework surrounding that meme, or trying to correct a bit of misinformation is not really possible to do under those same limitations of time or character count.
there’s more to life than political discourse 🤷♂️
How many other examples would you like?
You talk like a redditor, someone who needs people to hear their opinion even if it doesnt add anything.
I’m willing to bet close to 100% of lemmy.world users are from reddit. Where does this sense of superiority come from?
Chances are they came from reddit too lol
Tiktok ban is a good opportunity to educate the common folk on the benefits of federation
Although I am not sure if short video format addicts’ needs can be fixed with this elegant solution but it definitely works well enough as reddit and twitter replacement.
Video hosting is too expensive for a platform that’s not run by a big company.
Shit ain’t free!
But text is cheap enough to make text base federated social media a thing. So freedom oriented plebs have a refuge.
“Other social media bad and dumb, my social media good and smart”.
You’re the same as anyone on Facebook or Twitter, you love you’re little echo chamber and nothing is wrong with it and the other ones are bad.
I don’t see how this has anything to do with federated platforms. I’d argue that watching Loops is just as bad for one’s mental health than TikTok is.
It’s called Instagram or YouTube Shorts. Same thing…TikTok offered nothing new. And I’m here, but all I see on Lemmy are the same posts 3-4 times, predictable pearl clutching reactions to everything, and very limited news coverage with a proclivity for posting random, fringe sources
You have a point. It felt different when I signed up but now all the most upvoted content here seems to be screenshots from Twitter, regurgitated memes and similar low-effort dopamine triggers. And when I left reddit it was mostly reposted TikTok reels anyway. Cognitive fast food that’s easy to lose yourself in but unhealthy and unfulfilling as a habit. Lemmy doesn’t really have many niche communities to outweigh the slop either. Consequently, I spend less time here as well. Which is probably a good thing.
Those were both responses to TikTok shredding revenues for those services.
It’s a huge reason for the TikTok ban: meta and Google have no real good counter to.it, due to first-man-in factor.
I don’t respect corporate trash… But if it works for you, great!
Make sure to have location sharing enabled;)
Hey, look over here at the TikTok performative theatrics while we set up an oligarchy and rob you of your labor, your health, and your livelihood.
Tiktoks removel is not a distraction from oligarchy, it is oligarchy in action. This is meta collecting on what they paid congress for.
So wait, you’re complaining cause they did something? But if they had done nothing you’d also be complaining
You see me complaining? I’ve never used TikTok, but the entire controversy around it is just wag-the-dog type distraction.
I did some research and now I know why Trump wants to “save” TikTok.
https://www.theinformation.com/articles/how-tiktok-courted-conservatives-before-trumps-win
https://www.isdglobal.org/isd-publications/tiktok-and-white-supremacist-content/
This one is especially damning:
TikTok is spending $50,000 on an inauguration party honoring influencers who helped Donald Trump spread his campaign message, according to the party organizer — and it’s scheduled for Sunday, the deadline for the company to spin off from its China-based owner or be banned in the U.S.
CEO Shou Zi Chew is expected to attend.
$50,000
lol peanuts aren’t that damning… Capital in USA is spending millions and millions on Trump’s inauguration.
50k gets you an “I’ll see what I can do” .
Well yeah, it’s no secret that TikTok had a white supremacy problem. There was a researcher who discovered that they could make a brand new account and (by only interacting with certain types of content) get white supremacists on their For You page within 20 minutes. Algorithmic feeds are funny like that, because they just gauge engagement. The algorithm isn’t making any moral decisions on whether the engaging content is socially acceptable. For better or worse, it just goes “this person likes this content, so I’ll show them more.”
Trump isn’t going to save them. He’s setting it up so one of us cronies will get it.
It is a nice asset why shouldnt an American oligarch own it though
Democracy, free market, and capitalism 🤡
It’s mine. My own. My precious…
if people can’t go this long without tiktok they’re addicted to social media and it should stay banned
That second paragraph is just vile. Donny brought this ban into motion and now they say he will save them?
The current Ban was not brought into motion by Trump, the current Ban started being discussed in congress in 2024, trumps efforts fell apart, shockingly enough. https://apnews.com/article/tiktok-timeline-ban-biden-india-d3219a32de913f8083612e71ecf1f428
Tik Tok removed platform access from their US userbase voluntarily.
This was their choice.
The law is literally not even being enforced.
I hear that businesses existing in the face of unenforced laws are really stable and enduring. \s
Large businesses literally operate in conflict with the law until the law directly forces consequences, usually in monetary form. So, until they get caught and are forced not to do the thing. Explain to me why this is any different.
Multiple apps must have done so.
That’s what I see when I search for Marvel Snap on the playstore. Someone mentioned it was down as well earlier
Because they are distributed by a company that is owned by Bytedance. You know. The people who own Tik Tok.
Yeah, that’s why I brought that one up
Noteworthy thing I haven’t seen mentioned here: They apparently only removed app access. The website still works just fine.
Bytedance’s long-term hope is naturally to be able to continuing operating everywhere without violating any laws. Right? Therefore, their strategy is to stay as compliant as possible with various national laws (within reason), right? Therefore they have to take a conservative reading of the bill (PAFACA). So let’s look at the text of the bill:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521/text
(1) PROHIBITION OF FOREIGN ADVERSARY CONTROLLED APPLICATIONS.—It shall be unlawful for an entity to distribute, maintain, or update (or enable the distribution, maintenance, or updating of) a foreign adversary controlled application by carrying out, within the land or maritime borders of the United States, any of the following: […]
Now, the actual distribution of TikTok is done by a U.S. corp, incorporated in California and Delaware. That corp has to stay compliant with these laws. Therefore, to maintain or update or enable the distribution of an app as defined in this bill, is legally punishable. Make sense? Particularly because the law mentions them by name, there is basically zero legal defense against it besides contesting its constitutionality. Which the horrifically corrupt Supreme Court upheld.
So, probably the only way they felt comfortable resuming operations in the U.S. was with some kind of written agreement with the Trump admin - as of yet undisclosed.
What I find mad is that people are seriously depressed about this on /r/Tiktok. Yeah sure, I understand small creators now having a tough time having their business disappearing, but people are literally saying that TikTok was their only source of information and that they don’t know what to do now??
So the ban is reaching exactly the people it was set out to reach. Good.
Given the amount of nonsense that was on tiktok they’ll probably be more informed now.
What nonsense was on there?
The Elder Millennial, for one
There was a lot of misinformation and misrepresentation of world events. Mostly not helped by the short form content.
TikTok had a lot of great independent journalists on the app. I personally got a lot of good information from people on the ground about issues that I didn’t see talked about anywhere else on the Internet.
You empathize and educate.
Tik tok had some amazing news sources. I’d say the Washington Post on there was pretty good, they actually reported on the bullshit going on at the paper as well. There was a lot of great sources on the app. I’ll say that tiktok is the only place you’ll see news on Palestine not from the pov of Israel.
I am only on mastodon and lemmy, yet I have only seen things from pro-palestan standpoint.
Believe it or not, building a ethical platform will encourage ethical news on there. Unethical platform might sometimes push ethical news, but eventually will only prioritize its own agenda.
What was tiktoks agenda?
This might sounds surprising to you, but all big tech monopolies love money more than their users.
They will push whatever agenda that makes them more money, and this is exactly what got every social media into the current enshittified stage.
Keep kissing their ass, then they will turn around and send your lips straight to Trump.
Those people are too dumb for their own good. They were destined for failure no matter what.
Thank god for Trump to save communism /s
He won’t tho.
With enough money, sorry, I mean “campaign fund”, let’s see how things go.
