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    Everybody upvote Luigi content! Get banned! Leave reddit! Reddit crumbles! Fuck reddit! Go Luigi! Lemmy grows! Centralized social media dies! I eat a burrito. That last one wasn’t really on topic, but it’s happening anyways! I’m hungry.

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      It’s okay, we’ll all be able to go back to Digg soon.

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      not surprising, on another site/forum where reddit users got banned for upvoting in attempt to mimic human activity on reddit to promote thier of accts later down the line, thats whats been happening. they are using some technical tricks trying to get around these bans, but reddit is quickly closing those gaps, thats why thier bans have been so aggressive lately. they overmoderate, and overbanned recently.

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    Well, exactly the same can and is happening on specific Lemmy servers too.

    One of the vegan instances bans you if you downvote anything that speaks in favour of veganism. Not that I just do this out of spite, but there was this time where a thread about vegan cat food gained traction and I downvoted some comments that were really borderline. Ban within an hour.

    Same on that notorious star trek instance. Go ahead and put some downvotes on Discovery related posts, it will also earn you a temporary ban.

    So let’s not pretend that it’s only big bad reddit doing this.

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      I feel like there’s a difference between various moderators power-tripping on their own little fiefdoms, and a site wide policy.

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        A little, sure, but from my point of view (which you are happy to disagree with), very little.

        Personally I am a big Star Trek fan. I was stoked to see there is an actual dedicated Lemmy server for it, with many communities focused around everything Star Trek. But I disagree with their admin/moderation so much I had to change my account to another server. At some point ended up blocking the whole instance because I just cannot keep myself to just reading what others are posting.

        So even if I can use another server, I cannot use those communities. Similar if I were a vegan and would not agree with what some of the more extreme users are posting.

        There are not many active alternatives for these communities on Lemmy.

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          I think your experience highlights the main difference, the ability to leave an instance and disengage with authoritarian assholes without having to leave Lemmy. On reddit your only options are to leave or comply.

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          You can make your own alternatives, that’s the difference. If you think the mods/admins of those comms/instances aren’t doing well, then you could do better yourself. That’s the freedom that the fediverse gives you. You could not do the same on Reddit.

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        Good point. The other important difference is that on Lemmy you can jump to a different server. Once you get banned on Reddit, that’s it.

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        its sickening how they pretend to care about animals and nature by being vegan yet its just egotripping and blatant animal abuse. If they actually care about animals they should be the first ones denouncing vegan cat food.

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          It’s already bad enough that a lot of dry cat food in the market has grain (and the high cost of grainless alternatives) to even considering giving vegan food to a cat pffff.

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              Really? I give my cats dry food, but there’s no grain in it, all meat. Expensive, but worth it!

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                That reduces diabetes risk, but not CKD risk.

                Cats evolved from desert dwellers and often don’t like drinking water, they rarely do so in nature and get most of their liquids from their food. If a cat only eats dry food and doesn’t drink enough kidney disease is just an inevitability. Of our 3 cats only one of them drinks water regularly.

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                  Interesting. Well, I can confirm that my cats drink water, and a lot of it! One is nearly 13, the other 4, and they both drink multiple times per day.

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        Yeah. I’m a vegan and I took issue with that. Sure we can do scientific studies to see how cats do on vegan diets, but imo that further propels cat domestication which vegans should be against at the very beginning. We already subject cats and other pets to environments that aren’t natural to their genetic history. And now vegans are introducing foods that aren’t natural, even though taking cats off streets can be seen as the more ethical thing to do, given the alternatives.

        Lots of nuance here, but it’s not fair to the cats. Any time vegans think for themselves instead of the real victims of animal slavery, they undermine their entire cause.

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        cant believe that show went on five seasons, and it got worst every season too, and the obvious objective kurtzman was evident by season 4(female leads were the only sex left on the cast), the only likable characther, was michelle yeohs performance(you can see the acting is better than the others). Picard also was like that(the show couldve been good if done right, but picard(patrick stewart) seemed too low energy for the show.

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        Never seen but just cause I am in edgy mood today: discovery is utter garbage. They should pay hefty health insurance to anyone who has seen it to cover therapy costs and eye surgery.

        It’s so garbage that the dump trucks drivers get confused and arrive at people living rooms if they turn it on.

        The only fitting spot for it is inside the latrine but wash it out as carefully after putting this shitty thing down the drain as if it was an especially nasty hangover poop

        That was quite pleasurable to write

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          I think what pissed me off most with Discovery was them stealing that Tardigrade storyline from a videogame and then fighting the poor game developer down to the last in court. Also, that storyline made no sense for Star Trek.

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          same here, never saw the series, just enough of the clips to know the seasons go through obvious cycle, evident of many other people posted, a big convoluted “danger” that ends up in the last episode of a season which is a letdown. rinse and repeat, also kurtzmans go-to for ignoring the criticisms by fans of previous seasons, by dropping the arc of the last season entirely, additionally. both picard and STD have lifted material they read on memory alpha and memory beta(non canon) wiki, which the NOVELS are part of.

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            I don’t know but I know that hating on franchises isn’t worth my effort nowadays aside from some short dopamine burst now and then. I have learned with Last Jedi that panta rhei and all, I can always have my own head canon which is mostly EU and TCW 2008 and maybe some other thing I like.

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        It had its moments, but everytime id start to like it theyd pull some shit that south park would make fun of

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      Plus side here is that people can move to another instance and start commenting right away as opposed to being shadow banned for a period in certain subs and having to build up enough karma to not automatically have every comment flagged.

      People aren’t stuck to the policies of instances they don’t agree with whether it be reasons for bans or what instances are blocked or whitelisted.

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      Yes, but that is like being banned on a specific Reddit. You didnt follow the rules. Reddit will ban you from the entire platform.

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      The motives behind the actions of these groups are vastly different though. A corporation silencing anti-establishment speech is not equivalent to lemmy moderators abusing authority in their micro-feifdoms. Still frustrating of course but the reasons and effects are quite different

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        True, can’t argue with that. I am maybe a bit too pragmatic when I say, I don’t care about the difference because the outcome for me as a user is the same.

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      Its decentalised nature doesn’t get you removed from the whole network though unlike Reddit. You can always interact with other instances.

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      Lemmy even has the option to disable downvotes, so they’re obviously using downvotes as some kind of purity test.

      Side note, there should be a way to soft block certain instances so you can see and interact with its federated posts but not send anything to the instance itself. You want to limit open discussion on your instance? Fine, but everyone else is still going to talk about you.

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      It’s enough to just make new account every couple months

      It’s a good practice anyway. Fresh start every month feels good. Privacy is much better this way on such transparent site as Lemmy. You reset any mutes/bans/fame you might have acquired. It’s win-win

      +It’s not like Lemmy has some kind of insane profile customisation fluff or account bound rewards

      Also remember to have a unique username for each site for best doxx protection. I use this Osint site sometimes for lulz and there are people who have same PayPal id (with real name shown) as their Lemmy account name lol. Lemmy may be tame but if you browse any deep chan sites opsec is of paramount and admins are hostile actors deep down there too that WILL post your data. Here I kinda trust admins just a little so that accidental true IP reveal seems like no big deal.

      However one day you may sign up to the wrong instance or instance may change hands and someone may post your data to some chan like alt right pit. This is a danger of entrusting your account to small private operators that are complete strangers with unknown motivations

      Never ever use your true email on Lemmy

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        See my other comment. That is not really the solution since you will simply get banned again after a while, depending on how much you interact there. Unless admin/moderation changes, making a new account just gives you a bit of extra time using those communities.

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      at least here its more easy to just let them stew with eachother or for more sensible part of that community to just break off. in reddit its the site owner who ultimately decided how the site goes, here its the community itself. Though if majority of some community decides to just stick with some awful group, its quite bad for the minority that doesnt like the awfullness. But at least that is problem of our own making instead of what something some rich asshole decided and thus we can solve it ourselves too if we really want to. There is no way to unshittify reddit ever.

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      It’s way easier to do with Lemmy compared to Reddit. Because of its federated design, it’s trivial to subscribe to a stream of all activity in a community (posts, comments, upvotes, downvotes, moderation actions, etc) and do things when particular actions happen. Unlike Reddit, on Lemmy you can get a list of who upvoted or downvoted a post or comment.

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        Which I don’t have a problem with. Having vastly different moderation policies can create a walled garden, but there are instances where a walled garden is just preferable. See how askhistorians was handled. It’s better to have a platform that you can shape to your needs and the potential needs of your users. If it’s truly useless, then nobody would use it

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      That’s crazy, had no idea that data was available to the mods of an instance

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      I got banned from a vegan group once because I responded to a person talking about how “non-vegans must be sociopaths to not care about all the suffering of animals as they scream in pain” or something like that. I responded with a link to a study that plants do in fact scream when being injured. We just can’t hear it. Apparently they didn’t like that, lol.

      Edit to add: I didn’t just respond with a link. But something like “As much as I appreciate veganism I am not sure what to tell you. Because if avoiding screaming and suffering in your food source is the reason you became vegan I do have some bad news <link>”

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        Plants do not have a central nervous system to process pain and even if they did “feel pain” you’re still eating more of them by eating animal products…

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      Fr seeing in the modlog that people are regularly getting banned from parts of the fediverse for innocuous shit like “chronic downvoting” is so disappointing.

      Imo however you do or do not hit the little arrow buttons should never have any bearing on your account or standing, at all.

      I don’t even understand why mods/admins have access to see how people are voting, fuck that bullshit.

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      if someone does that post it in yepowertrippinbastards and make a new sub on a different instance, id join, ppl can be made aware here

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      gross, even STD is being defended here, who is paying for these shills. nutrek is such a badly written/show franchise right now.

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      Yes, Lemmyverse will fragment, so it’s important to choose sufficiently permissive instances or even run your own.

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    reddit will warn users who repeatedly upvote calls for a violent revolution against the billionaire class and the fascist neo feudalist militarized police state enforced wage slavery and rent till death economics they have created to benefit their endless growth driven profits while ignoring upvotes of content that praise violence against leftists, women and other marginalized leftist aligning groups and ideologies

    There, FTFY

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        They are desperately obvious and its cringe. They were in full blast damage control censorship mode even before december 4th. I was VPN banned last summer just for saying that occupied indigenous people have a right to resist occupation by any means necessary as per international law in regards to palestine and IsNoTreal. So far ive jot been able to evade the ban even with a vpn. Wall street military and prison industry profiteers have become too confident and comfortable.

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          They ban for literally anything probably because their Reddit moderation is handled by AI. The simple fact that many reports = certain ban regardless of behavior is reason enough not to be in that cesspool

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            their Reddit moderation is handled by AI

            They also have a number of fascist mods who abuse their authority to arbitrarily ban anyone saying something they don’t like.

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              Oh for sure! I got banned for “inciting violence” when I called desantis “a wanna be fascist in fake cowboy boots” and it got spam reported by conservative snowflakes. There is literally no staying unbanned on Reddit if you have any form of moral compass or social awareness

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      Yes, this is exactly what it is. A call for violence against liberals? No worries. A statement that violence may be the only option left to fight a government controlled by billionaires? Banned.

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    Just keep in mind: your upvotes on Lemmy are visible to anybody who runs a Lemmy instance.

    God help us if Elon Musk figures out how to run one.

    ETA: I mention this because the current government wants to find anyone who does this.

    The [unelected president] moaned on his platform that some Reddit users on the subreddit r/WhitePeopleTwitter had broken the law after they allegedly revealed the identities of his so-called DOGE goon squad.

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          Yeah idk why ppl dont like this, id prefer ppl lurk and not vote if they dont do it with their chest

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            Well end up with so many alternatives that access the threadiverse differently, some that mask your upvotes/downvotes somehow, some that are open about it and block those that mask them lol, fractured community

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            It’s also the herd reaction. It may be enough to have a couple of bots downvote or upvote something, and then the crowd goes after them.

            Not even talking about, say, someone being pissed and going to other user’s profile to downvote all their recent comments.

            It’s just useful to see such things - one-day-old accounts putting reactions, and one and the same user following you to press their internet satisfaction arrow.

            In any case anonymous reactions just don’t make any sense, it’s a number, what if most in that number are jerks? (Actually they are, I can’t imagine stooping low enough to care to put a downvote, but not writing why).

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        Piefed upvotes are private though

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          Only for untrusted instances iirc.

          I just tried to check this by looking at one of rimu’s (piefed’s dev) posts and indeed I can see upvotes by piefed.social users from kbin.earth. They’re real usernames too, not just randomly generated ones like I’ve seen proposed in one discussion on private voting.

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      I will save him the effort. I happily upvote things that contain the words Luigi and Elon.

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      Though you cannot see votes coming from a blocked instance. (If your instance ever blocked another instance. Not valid for self hosted.)

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    Basically declaring that they don’t allow free speech.

    “Hey, you have been liking things we disagree with and we need an echo chamber here, align with us or fuck off. Sincerely, the money hungry bitches of the internet! Also heil daddy musk!”

    • @[email protected]
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      Of course they don’t. They banned me 3 years ago for saying that if you have the chance, you should always punch a Nazi.

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        Excuse me? If someone says they want a genocide you have to wait until they take over, only then are you allowed to support violence.

        I’m against violence, I think that reasonable and even somewhat unreasonable people should be talked with. But if someone says “fuck you I will kill you” you should have the right to punch them, it is the same as self defence, because next time they will kill you.

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          I know. The two reactions when I tell people about that are usually either rage or amusement. I’m here now, so fuck Reddit.

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            What was the actual reason they gave when they blocked your account. Because I had one of my accounts banned, but not for any logical reason, and they just gave me a made-up reason of I was being aggressive (I wasn’t being aggressive I was just pointing out to someone that he was gatekeeping, which he was).

            For contacts the guy was trying to suggest that the only people who should be allowed to be employed in the software development industry are people with a relevant university level qualification, which was obviously stupid because it would block pretty much all of the current tech billionaires from their own companies.

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              going to college to learn technology in the 1990s would have been useless for acquiring the skills that I have developed and honed in my 25+ years in tech

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        They permabanned two of my accounts during the election last year, just because I said I didn’t care when Trump said Liz Cheney should be shot. She’s a warmonger who’s called for violence against millions of innocent people. Not gonna clutch my pearls when anyone (even Trump) threatens her.

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      Basically declaring that they don’t allow free speech.

      It’s a privately owned platform. You never have an assurance of free speech on any of those, and on Reddit, the rot set in years ago.

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        There is a big jump from “we are a private company and we have internal rules” to “we are a private company and our internal rules that directly go against human rights”

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          Based on what I read in the posted article, everyone is making a big leap here. Of course I expect you all to be right in the end based on Reddit being a shitshow, but we don’t know what the content they are referring to is exactly.

          For all we know, they are only referring to stuff like human trafficking or child porn. The statement is vague.

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        I have a strange opinion, but here goes: The Right to Free Speech (Im in the US here), should protect you from censorship. Doing what Reddit is doing should be considered a Rights violation and we should be able to sue them into the ground.

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          Terrible idea. Any site that bans for hate speech would also be a rights violation. If a platform doesn’t share your values, leave it.

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            Yes, sadly, freedom of speech includes freedom of hate speech. The platform would have to rely on its users downvoting or ridiculing the offender rather than outright bans.

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              See Twitter to see what “free speech absolutism” gets you. The hateful stuff will quickly overrun and take over the platform, chasing decent people away.

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                Twitter isn’t even remotely pro-free-speech; much like Reddit, they claim to be in order to defend the worst people on the platform, while routinely deleting or banning people for speech they disagree with

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                  That’s correct. But it starts by allowing hate speech. Can you give an example of a single platform that allows it that didn’t become a toxic shithole?

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                I understand what you are trying to say, but Twitter is far from free speech. Twitter is a mob/mind control device. It brings hatred to the forefront. The worst posts thrown right into people’s faces, then they tailor the content to focus the hatred.
                One only needs to type the words “Cis Gender” in Twitter to see the censorship, the hatred, and the target all working together.

                That’s not free speech, it’s brainwashing. Reddit is just as bad.

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                  Yes, I know. That’s what always happens if you allow hate speech - it takes over and suppresses dissent.

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          Well, you are certainly entitled to that opinion even though it’s wrong, and I do think banning you for it is also wrong.

          There’s a big difference between having ideas and taking actions. Ideas cannot be allowed to become illegal. Even disgusting ones.

          The correct response to unconscionable ideas is social, not institutional.

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            That is the point I was making about Twitter, and it applies to Reddit as well. You have to stop that radicalization socially, they need their hands slapped to know that they are wrong. Twitter and Reddit dont just let MAGA go crazy, they give them a safe space to do it in. They block us normal people from telling them they are being crazy. He’ll, Reddit let’s them throw people out if they don’t have Conservative flair (like a checkmark).

            The institutions are preventing proper social responses to these hateful people.

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      hypothetically speaking, if someone blew up their office HQ, that would send a powerful message. of course, if you have the balls to do that, there are some other offices that would probably be much better targets.

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      To be clear, they’re talking about banning right wing people. Reddit is one of the most liberal platforms you will find.

      You can’t even talk economics on Reddit without being downvoted to fuck, or banned.

      I am a centrist, and I routinely had posts removed and got banned from communities for saying things from actual textbooks taught currently in universities.

      No one is attacking the free speech of the left unless it’s radical and advocating for physical harm.

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        Incorrect. I got banned yesterday for “Eat the Rich” and Luigi favoritism. I believe the post in question (you never know with a Reddit ban because they dont show you) was responding to someone’s post that mentioned the French Revolution with a Guillotine gif and “Git-r-Done”.

        Yea, apparently I was plotting murder or something by doing that.

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          I mean, advocating for eating people is in itself a crime, so maybe the bot thought you were trying to push for cannibalism? 😂

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            The bot was probably right. That has been yelled a lot. Soylent Green is … Rich people!

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    Don’t forget to leave bad review of reddit app and encourage others to move to lemmy in the review.

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      Note that you actually need to review the app itself, not reddit. When I left a negative review about the whole reddit API mess, the review was removed and I was barred from leaving more reviews

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        wow thanks for that, adjust my bad reviews.

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    It’s amazing how they tolerated people preaching for violence against women and immigrants for over a decade, but all of sudden their passion for non-violence is so extreme after a rich white guy gets killed.

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    15 years on reddit. Multiple accounts banned for slamming Nazis. So I’m here slamming Nazis. Long live Lemmy.

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    5411 days ago

    I’ve been a Redditor for 13 years. I read the Admin explanation and the Mods reactions and immediately downloaded Lemmy. I’m still gonna lurk just to watch the chaos but fuck that noise with someone else’s dick thank you very much.