US citizen here. I have become such a huge fan of France.
Same. Also once you know and understand France’s history and military…. You just don’t fuck with them.
This isn’t a show of force, it’s a demonstration for Canada who is planning to buy a number of these submarines from France.
Yes, this old news is about a nuclear-powered attack submarine, not necessarily a submarine that can nuclear-attack.
IIRC only 2 out of the 9 french subs in service exclusively carry torpedoes and anti-ship missiles (Rubis class). I’m sure the 3 Suffren class with no second strike capabilities could still deliver some sort of short ranged tac nuke. So there are high chances that this is a submarine that can nuclear-attack.
France hasn’t had tactical nukes for some time now
You’re right, thanks for adding context. I’m immediately suspicious when a picture is posted with no accompanying news article, and my search wasn’t turning up any articles, only social media links.
Article is about selling nuclear powered subs. Canada doesn’t need these boondoggles for defense against US, because the mission capability is being months at sea.
Regardless, it’s presence makes a statement that Canada is not alone.
Though I’d be cool if it was stationed at Miquelon for a few months.
Australia watching on with regret.
right?! gawwwwwwd we’re so fucking captured
Morrison is such a dickhead.
Morrison knew what he was doing, the sub deal was to poison the chalice before Labor gained the majority.
Unfortunately for the walking sack of salmonella and shitty curry, his wrangler (Murdoch) managed to sway the election enough to get the LNP back in power.
I have actually met Morrison in person once (friends of friends of friends) and he is a fucking moron but JFC he’s at least a brain cell or two ahead of Dutton
I dunno … Dutton seems smarter, but more evil. Morrison just seems like a brainwashed idiot who’s failed upwards. I don’t know how anyone looks at the screaming void of evil that is Dutton and thinks “yeah that thing has my best interests at heart … or a heart”
They’re just two different flavours of evil, Morrison is a happy clapper pentecostalist “God favours the rich” evil and Dutton is an ex-corrupt cop who wants authoritarianism under his rule evil.
They both don’t have the critical thinking to realise the damage they do or why men like them shouldn’t hold positions of power, but Dutton following right out of Trumps playbook despite international backlash is a pretty good case for dumb-as-fuck syndrome.
But I agree, it’s absurd that we have these stooges running for parliament I don’t know how we got here…
I’m still not entirely sure how Australia seemingly wound up with a modified Westminster system that was worse than the original, genuinely pretty impressive.
The only reason it’s worse is because we have a strong Murdoch media bias, so the general public are pretty ill-informed. With everyone being fed bullshit so often it’s easy to get them to vote against their best interests.
Arguably at least we have proportional representation. FPTP sucks.
at least we have proportional representation
Only in the Senate. And only on a per-state basis, so it’s only as proportional as “a proportion of 6” can be…which is much less proportional than a proportion of 40, like if the Senate were done nationally.
We knew that BEFORE the election and yet elected the LNP anyway, fuck voters.
Could be worse, you could be a murican ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
They don’t need attack subs. They need boomer subs. At this point, Canada needs a nuclear deterrent. And I say that as an American who would be in the cross hairs of said nuclear deterrent. Canada should contract with the French for protection under their umbrella until they can build some of their own. The lesson of Ukraine should be that nukes protect small nations from fascist larger ones. Canada could easily end up like Ukraine. It’s not like fascists can’t find a casus belli. Putin was “restoring Russian glory” or some such. Trump would be “finishing the American Revolution” or some other bullshit.
Please, Canada, from a friend of yours to the south, do not take this threat lightly. No one is going to be able to save you if the US decides to invade. The same oceans that protect you will prevent your rescue. The only hope Canada will ever have of being able to militarily protect its borders from the US is a credible nuclear deterrent.
Just please, don’t harden your hearts while you build these weapons of destruction. Don’t close your doors to refugees from the US. As someone who is on the regime’s enemies list, hopping across the Canadian border and begging for asylum is the last chance I might have if things really go bad.
Instead of putting all eggs in France basket, Canada should also approach North Korea, China, and Russia for detente and nuclear deterrence. Flirting with North Korea is best path to get SK and Japan to commit to our auto industry, and decouple from their own US extortion. Taking bids for Russia to take over NORAD sites is more constructive than continuing military cooperation, and shamefully subservient to US defense pacts with Philippines. If Russia is no longer the enemy the US forces us to make, then we are protecting the US from Russia, and they need to pay for that privilege.
US and foreign auto industry must be forced to choose Canada over US. US manufacturing destroyed through export tariffs on materials and energy, and proceeds used to subsidize Canadian manufacturing. Manufacturing/MSFT in Washington and Michigan states must recommend secession and joining Canada, and be covered by our nuclear shields.
I mean, they’re not mutually exclusive. Nobody was about to start openly threatening the Americans, but having French forces around and mulling over defence deals with France sends a signal.
We don’t know what Macron and Trudeau talked about, but accelerating things like this in light of the new reality could well have been part of it.
Lamp Oil, Rope, Nuclear Subs? You want it? It’s yours, my friend. As looong as you have enough Euros.
Khajit has wares, if you have coin.
Also a great and well deserved middle finger to Australia
What’s the point of these submarines if there aren’t nukes on them?
There’s a dismantled trebuchet on board.
To shoot at the ones with nukes on them?
I guess they could use them as a regular strategic missile platform.
to demonstrate (politely) how quickly and quietly they can appear when we need them to. without endangering anyone or raising alarms that allow trump and co to rattle their sabers
i like it, we should be like - “maybe we have nukes, maybe we dont. you wont know until its too late”
Nuclear submarines are powered-by nuclear power, they aren’t necessarily platforms for nuclear weapons.
Fake
Never have I been more pleased to see a foreign navies nuclear attack sub in my nations waters.
(odd times)
Bonjour!
Hijacking the top comment to let people know this isn’t in response to any American threats, this is Naval Group, a French naval defense company, showing off their submarine because Canada is looking to spend 60 billion on twelve submarines. The plans for this purchase were publicly announced on July 10, 2024.
Here’s a French news article about the submarine, seeing as I couldn’t seem to find any sources in English.
I’ll take both reasons as canon, thank you very much
I’ll take both reasons as cannon, thank you very much
FTFY
without cannons, how will they fight?!?
Weird that they specify “conventionally powered” in the Canadian article since this is a nuclear powered sub.
I think it’s because many nations with subs have nuclear-powered vs diesel-powered. Diesel doesn’t have the vast capabilities to stay underwater for months like nuclear does.
I don’t know if that’s a mistake. It might not be a nuclear sub, just a sub which has nuclear weapons capabilities ( though obviously not this particular sub because it’s still in the hands of a defence contractor ( I hope ) ).
That’s an attack sub (for attacking ships/other boats), not a boomer (which have nukes).
I’m pretty sure that’s a Suffren class, and there’s both diesel and nuclear powered versions. Dunno how I’d tell from the outside, and don’t think the caption is necessarily all that trustworthy.
Ah, that makes sense. It’s like when the car dealer shows you the version of the car you want with slightly different features since the one you want isn’t on the lot yet.
Hijacking your commet to add this
I don’t know much about this stuff, but I have been listening to a ton of podcasts about the war, geopoliticks etc.
From what I learned, France and the UK have nukes, but not the type you can launch from a submarine. (Unfortunately)
They do though.
I had real good tingle feels imagining France showing up on our coast during this part of history.
A real “we got you bro” moment in my imagination.Le sad.
Naval Group, a French naval defense company
Ah shit, that’s the same company Australia had a deal with to buy diesel subs, before our fuckwit former PM reneged on the deal to create AUKUS and buy American nuclear subs.
nuclear subs always give me gundam carrier ship vibes
Well this year is going just smoothly.
Better get that bug-out bag ready. Remember iodine tablets.
Could have imagined this happening as little as 3 years ago.
An ally sending a nuclear deterrent into our waters as a message/warning to the US. This normally happens to countries like Iran or North Korea
To be accurate, this is a nuclear propelled attack submarine. It does not carry nuclear warheads and is not what we normally call a “nuclear deterrent”.
It does not but can carry nuke tipped missiles and even though we have the screw signatures of our allies…this is still a message that the rest of the world except Moscow is looking down on us in disappointment
I believe you, but do you have a source? That’s a pretty big distinction when *they’re calling it a “nuclear attack submarine”!
EDIT: Clarification
I used to look for submarines for a living. But you don’t have to believe me:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_submarine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_submarine
Thanks for the info. I’m curious if you have more details on what that job was (if you’re able to share)! Why did you move on from it?
My current job is to operate electronic sensors on board of an aircraft. I used to work with anti-submarine helicopters. The kind of helicopters that usually operate from a military ship. Now I’ve been moved to work on a search and rescue aircraft. It’s a nice change to be looking for people who actually want to be found.
That’s cool…
What would be an example of a submarine that isn’t an Attack submarine, only surveillance?
Hey. Guess what? At the moment, we’re the bad guys…
Yup
Still hasn’t happened. This was a sales pitch for a Canadian defence contract.
Would a french submarine wear its hat like this:
or like this:
Asking the real questions
This deserves its own post in [email protected].
Holy shit I laughed out loud…
The top one looks like he got hit on the head.
The conning tower is clearly it’s head, though. The real answer must be on the hull behind it.
You should cross post this to non credible defense. They’d love it.
The scale of these things is always fascinating. They’re always much larger than I think they are.
For reference, I think that’s a Suffren class, making it just shy of 100m, or a tad longer than a football field for my fellow Americans.
perchance, banana for scale?
Whollottabanana!
It’s a football field, Micheal. How big could it be, a banana?
It’s there, but hard to see.
The previously-mentioned French article says it’s a Barracuda, but I don’t know if that’s a model or a class.
And unsurprisingly, he also decided to offer the Royal Canadian Navy its “premium” model, the Barracuda, rather than the Scorpène.
The Barracuda is (apparently) an export variant of the Suffren and is indeed a little shorter but still over 300 ft long.
Canadian football fields are 100m, so just the right size for us!
CFL fields are 110 yards, which is about 100m. Close enough I guess :)
Important note: The “Nuclear” in “Nuclear attack submarine” means that it is powered by a nuclear reactor. It does not refer to its armament. An “attack” submarine means it is designed to attack ships and other submarines and these are typically not capable of carrying and launching ICBMs. Nuclear-armed deterrent submarines are called Ballistic Missile Submarines.
Don’t forget all the cruise missiles - it’s not just for attacking things at sea.
Finally. Letting the French keep a little bit of Canada pays off.
Pointing “am I a joke to you?”
O hai!
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Fake
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Despite the clear evidence pointing to the image being old, the photograph is still circulating on social media platforms and has been featured in Google searches related to the supposed annexation threat. This highlights how misinformation can easily spread online, especially when fueled by sensational claims and misleading images.
https://holrmagazine.com/french-submarine-halifax-photo-real-or-fake-explained/
An article using random reddit comments as a source should be outright ignored, IMO.
Especially when said reddit comment has since been edited and no longer reflects what’s written in the article. If you bother to follow the reddit link in the article, you’ll find someone has replied with an actual source (from France) that shows that the photos are legit, however the title of this post (and the original posts on reddit) are misleading.
This isn’t in reaction to American threats, it’s a French naval defense company showing off their submarine in the hopes of obtaining a 60 billion dollar contract for twelve submarines that the Canadian government announced last summer.
What the fuck would Canada, a non nuclear weapons country, want a nuclear sub for? Diesel battery subs are inherently stealthier because you can’t turn a nuclear reactor off to go quiet and they don’t need to stay submerged forever to hide where ballistic missiles are and they’re not going to be power projecting to keep Iceland from sending another landing party with Erikson. It’s not like Canada doesn’t have an abundance of ports for refueling or a military vulnerability to oil embargos. It’s not even compatible with their primary method of nuclear fuel since it requires nearly weapons grade refined uranium and the whole point of CANDU heavy water reactors is to not refine.
Exactly. OP is super fake.
It’s a French sub though so it probably only fires gag missiles that just have a white flag on a stick at the tip.
Jokes aside can you smoke on a sub? Cause I know a lot of the French still habitually smoke cigarettes and I imagine that would do a number on the oxygen system. Let alone the dangers of possibly setting fires in a pressurized container deep underwater.
Wild comment
Nobodys got a sense of humor anymore it seems.
What was supposed to be funny
It is funny if you don’t have a France shaped stick stuck up your ass.
Evidently
In this day and age, who can afford one?
Me. I’m still able to laugh at things in current year. I wish more people would try it.
oh wow got any more stereotypes in your comedy bag? aw hon hon! baguette!
Sure. Who do you want me to sterotype or make fun of?
Painstaking!
