Who said anything about traveling to the US?
Why travel to that shithole.
People also travel to Pyongyang just to see just how shitty it is.
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I’d rather go there. Probably safer.
Honestly, just follow their rules and you’d probably be fine in NK. But maybe not so in the us
Travel to the US and it’s your own fault. We have been warned.
My partner is a scientist and has to travel to the US for work later this year. We’re both dreading it, given all these stories of people being detained at the border.
Don’t.
Be safe.
Are they in private or public sector? Because I can’t imagine a university or other government institution continuing to send people to America if hostilities keep increasing over the course of the year.
I’m not saying there won’t be financial consequences, but they are well within their right to refuse. I would.
What the actual fuck is going on with my country?!? For fuck sake, not all of us are fascist bellends.
Things are still gonna get worse, we’re not gonna get through this until their actions hurt so many people that enough of them get fed up and it leads to one of those belgrade or hungary sized protests
You’re talking about a country that largely lives with its head in the sand. America is notorious for avoiding the news, especially world news. The fact that any is ingested as all is likely thanks to social media. (Im talking large strokes, middle of the bell curve behaviors). As long as the family unit is ok, people generally think they’re ok, and live with blinders for anything outside of that. This life approach has existed long before Trump was even a blip in politics.
Remember, inertia is a seismic, global driving force of action for much of humanity.
I think it would likely take everyone’s personal house burning down in tandem to inspire mass action and those who still had houses would still function via the force of inertia propelling them through their daily habits, ignoring everyone else.
I say that as an American. I don’t like it, but it’s true. That and liberals a very un unified and tend not to like each other. A lot of gatekeeping takes place there rather than uniting and doing, always has. It’s a scattered, messy, un unified party.
In addition, there was another post made in response to a “do something” rant that I think sums up the other piece in play.
“I don’t know how to start a riot.”
Which is a fair point. How? Seriously. And where do you find people when your full personal circle is 2-7 individuals (if you have friends at all, it’s a major problem people seek therapy for these days). and half of the people who are friends with are either MAGA or a dissociated young man who spends all their free time behind a screen engaged in escapism.
We’re kinda screwed on the psychology side over here.
Generally I agree, but also I feel like we get held to a higher standard for some reason? I don’t believe the average person in China or India or wherever is significantly more informed about the news and world than we are in America. It’s just that when you have no time and energy outside of work it’s difficult to remain informed (and cross checked) about everything going on. Our orange Hitler has done like 4 things a day since being elected that could probably warrant a documentary each just to explain all the bullshit, and that’s just what’s going on here.
I feel like we get held to a higher standard for some reason?
Not really. My expectations about Americans are pretty low, and even then I’m regularly being disappointed by what I see them doing.
At minimum you guys should be held to the standards that you claim for yourselves, but that’s so much higher than I have ever seen your country achieve.
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If Americans want the respect from the rest of the world that your country claims it deserves, you guys need to fix a helluva lot of things.
In your world where every group is a monolith, I guess that might make sense. 🙄 What country are you from?
but also I feel like we get held to a higher standard for some reason?
I realize I discuss inertia as a driving human force a lot, but inertial force doesn’t just rule over behaviors but thinking and expectation as well.
This one is derived from that American ethos born of not just 1776 but WW2 and the post WW2 remapping of world politics, centered in the West. That’s it. We’ve been riding and reinforcing that inertial force ever since. That is simply how long and powerful inertial force can be within the context of psychology.
We The People hit a brick wall in November, but so did the rest of the world.
How that brick wall happens for individual Americans, wakes them up and energizes them instead of just making them feel tired and broken, I don’t know.
Aside regarding headlines. Germany is the classic comparison in studies. Brutal headlines and imagery are typical, even pre social media.
A third of you are fascist bellends, a third are fighting against the fascist bellends … and a third are just standing there doing nothing.
Yeah, the non-voters are fucking worse than the Trumpers in some ways.
this is beyond voting now
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oh I voted. And dragged* all my kids to vote. And my reluctant wife. I did everything I could…
You might want to say “dragged” instead…
Well…. (I see your point).
I did everything I could…
Did you? Are you?
How often are you holding your elected officials to account?
how often are you hitting the streets protesting?
How much local and community organizing are you doing?
How much “voting with you wallet” are you doing?
Why even visit a hostile country?
This. I personally have no plan going to usa now and in the future. Unfortunately some Canadians may still have to go for work related trips. Just be aware that you may or may not need to register in the new “Alien Registration Requirement”.
Just be aware that you may or may not need to register in the new “Alien Registration Requirement”.
And if you choose wrong, they might lock you up in a
detention centerconcentration camp.
They’re a scientist. Science is pretty international and often involves travelling to all sorts of countries for conferences with other researchers in your field.
not to US now, that is became pretty anti-science. stems is already suffering in many areas before trump was elected, he just made things worst.
His job sent him
Don’t carry digital data across any border, even if encrypted. Many countries have totally different standards over search and seizure at their borders to when you have gained entry and sometimes far worse for non citizens.
Australia has full rights to search hardware on entry. Careful coming here too.
Exactly. Don’t make assumptions just because you are travelling to a “friendly” country.
A good option is backing up your data, encrypting it, then uploading to a server you can retrieve it from once you’ve crossed
Setting up some stuff might look less sus than a freshly wiped device though
america has freedom of speech but i guess not in this case.
America HAD freedom of speech. Now they’re disappearing people for it.
“Freedom of Speech” is a euphemism for hate speech and racism in the US.
Freedom of speech means whatever they want it to in that moment it seems
No need to go to the us. Fuck that hellhole.
Some of us that left still want to visit family when they’re dying
Just don’t go at all.
This is the only solution. I would rather eat nails than go to the States again.
I read that as snails and was about to comment “bonjour” … instead I did the joke in this meta way
Bonne journée mon ami(e).
I actually live in the US and am considering a burner for when I travel.
I have a question for you, do you actually need REAL ID to travel domestically?
Starting May 7, yes you’ll need a REAL or Passport to board US domestic flights.
Soon, you’ll need it to fly domestically.
They actually set this up pretty far in advance though. For instance, I’m from Texas, where any IDs issued since October 2016 are complaint. It’s impossible for me to have a current ID that’s non-compliant.
So from my perspective there won’t really have been any changes since 2001 in my flying experience.
Afaik, your state Id or driver license is your legal identification. And states honor the IDs of other states.
I refused to use id.me to get unemployment insurance because I don’t want a private 3rd party having that info plus a face scan.
I worry about this: https://www.dhs.gov/real-id but from the website, it seems that many states id/driver licenses are “REAL ID compliant” and you only need it if you fly domestically or wanting to access “certain federal facilities”.
Stay safe, friend.
You can also just use a passport instead.
not in the lower 48, yet. but I haven’t taken amtrak recently. no idea for alaska, hawaii, or the colonies.
I don’t know, all I know is that my driver’s license is already compliant with that, I think. All I had to do is bring a few extra things to the BMV when I renewed the license. I didn’t really think much of it at the time but it’s one of those things that’s nice to have and didn’t really cost too much extra.
Turn off your phone before going through customs or tsa. They can’t compel you to give your password out, but biometrics don’t fall under that category.
And they can refuse you entry if you don’t comply.
Yup, that’s true.
Sleeping on an airport bench for your 2 week business trip knowing you’re getting fired when you get home
Why would you get fired? Like they would have to justify it and I dont think “I was oppressed when visiting a fascist police state” is a legally permissible reason to fire someone in most countries
Sorry man battery died!
No problem. The cellebrite imaging tool will provide power while it dumps your entire phone.
Full Disk Encryption works. Use a strong passphrase. >20 characters.
For those of us with GrapheneOS, you could maybe set up a different user profile solely for travel? Hopefully they wouldn’t look closely enough to see that it’s not the real one
That feels like a pretty big gamble when the consequence for losing is being detained by ICE.
Doesnt work. They wont let you in if you dont unlock your phone. Same thing if you wipe it. They can refuse you for any reason.
Well ain’t that some bull shit.
For now anyway.
better to get a cheap burner phones, than through that hassle.
There’s something ironic about reading this with a Home Depot (huge Trump supporter) ad embedded in it.
If you really need to go to the US - Don’t bring any electronic devices with you through security or while transitioning through borders.
Leave your devices at home. Bring a single function camera with you if you want.
Once you get across the border … buy a new or used phone. If you have friends or family waiting for you, ask them to get you a phone, maybe even an old phone or get them to buy a used phone that you can use during your stay (pay them to get it of course).
Set up your new phone - load your data through cloud based systems … if you are organized enough, you can set up a cloud based password manager to handle all your other data services.
Then when you leave, reformat and reset your phone and either try to sell off the phone you just bought, give it away or just toss it.
Go through security again without a device.
LOL they changed the headlines to “hateful towards U.S. Policy” now? I thought it was “critical of Trump”.
FWIW the US is claiming that the researcher had confidential information from Los Alamos National Labs against the terms of his NDA. They claim the researcher admitted to taking the information and attempting to conceal it.
I honestly hope this is the explanation. If we’re starting to deny entry to the country simply due to criticisms of domestic policy decisions, we’re going down yet another dark path.
How is that a problem when the president is out there storing confidential docs in his golf course, and when they fire off the cybersecurity teams?
Or when private citizens are freely given the details of U.S. plans to respond militarily to China?
I was at the conference he was supposed to attend - the Lunar and Planetary Science conference. There were a lot of people showing Los Alamos data there.
That doesn’t mean anything, at all. Just because “a lot of people [were] showing Los Alamos data” doesn’t mean all Los Alamos data can be publicized.
Ex: a guy named Robert who led a very particular research effort in New Mexico
That’s not news. The US has for a long time reading/copying contents of electric devices at the border
Bingo. If anything, use of a burner phone will be purposely misconstrued as “suspicious”, and used as justification for more thorough screening.
“You just got it last week? That’s weird, we usually only hear drug smugglers using new phones. You’re not smuggling fentanyl, are you? OK, so you won’t mind if I take a look through your luggage to be sure, right? Maybe I should send you to secondary screening for an x-ray.”
They never asked to see my phone at the border. But the last time I crossed they were getting a hell of a lot more aggressive. They got less aggressive when I became a Canadian citizen, but when I only had my Lebanese passport they almost always brought me in for more questioning. It was kinda bizarre. They probably aggressively searched my luggage, but I can’t be sure of that.
They got less aggressive when I became a Canadian citizen, but when I only had my Lebanese passport they almost always brought me in for more questioning.
This but with passport origins instead of skin color.
People have told me that I could pass for an Italian… hmm…
My checked luggage used to be searched when I went to usa. I knew it was searched because tsa would leave a pamphlet inside my luggage saying that it was searched. I believe they have stopped leaving such pamphlet but I won’t be surprised if they still search luggages.
I used to get “randomly” searched every time I fly in the US until I was sent to the side room for more extensive search and interview.
After that I never got randomly searched anymore whenever I go through the airport.
I think once they know everything and judged that I’m not going to be a problem, I stopped getting flagged.
From the news, this time feels a bit different.
Unfortunately I’ll avoid crossing the border until things settle down in a few years. I don’t want to get whisked away by ICE for looking at someone funnyAirlines always check their stuff. Border crossings via greyhound bus or car are not always.
probably had to do with your country of origin.
While technically true, they weren’t kicking out foreign visitors for being critical if the president.
I used to train people in a specific culinary technique, and i had clients from all over the world, including Muslim clients from the Middle East and India. Most had no problem visiting, but one was stopped at the border and heavily grilled.
His visa said he was here for vacation and educational purposes, but when they went through his texts, they determined that he was here for business purposes, and threatened to confiscate his cash, and reject him from entering the country.
After a few hours, he eventually convinced them that he had considered his training with me to be educational rather than business for his visa, and it just an honest mistake, with no nefarious purpose, and was finally released so he could visit me, and get his training.
This was about 10 years ago, and I don’t remember who was president. It was either Trump or Obama.
2015 was Obama afaik. Trump came in 2016.
Obama was president for all of 2016 as well. Trump elected in 2016 but not sworn in until 2017.
I know, I have a calendar, I just wasn’t exactly sure if the timing, it might have been 10 years ago or 11, or 9, or 8, I don’t remember exactly.
Many countries do. This isn’t a US exclusive policy.
