I don’t get it. Putin wants the land, their neutrality, to stop any weapon sales, for them not to join any alliance. And what does Ukraine get, besides eventual second invasion?
We are already up to the second invasion, in recent times.
True, we would be talking of a third invasion. Depends if you count paramilitary units that invaded Donbass after the occupation of Crimea. In that case it would be the fourth invasion.
They’re inflating this because Russia can’t let the war end quickly for his own safety.
What do you mean, Ukraine gets?
Putin probably.
They get Putin
I imagine Putin would answer you that Ukraine gets to continue existing as an independent country.
…till the eventual next invasion against which Ukraine will have no ability to defend itself from because of the concessions.
There’s no need for a next invasion if the conditions specified above are met.
“There’s no need for a greater invasion, they already have Crimea”
Crimea is a different conversation.
Let’s be serious, if Mexico was about to join a Russia or China led alliance, would the U.S. not invade Mexico? The U.S. would impose neutrality to Mexico. You can also refer to the Cuba missile crisis.
And Hitler only invaded France because France declared war on Germany.
There were no German ambitions in France beyond Alsace-Lorraine, had they not done anything in response to the German-Polish war then France would have been spared.
Therefore France is responsible for every war crime the nazis committed in France.
I really hope I don’t need explain why this logic is imperialist apologia.
Never said anything remotely close to what you are describing.
The problem with your statements is that you’re putting your hypothetical dictator-led bullshit on the same level as NATO membership. They aren’t the same thing, they will never be the same thing. Putin is a spineless, cowardly, asswipe of a dictator whose word is worth fuck-all, as evidenced by lying about not invading Ukraine last time. Then Crimea happened. Then this invasion happened.
Shit, half the reason we have militaries to begin with is because of the existence of narcissists who claw their way into power by any means necessary, stepping on anyone and anything they can to do so.
What are you talking about? Is the Cuba missile crisis hypothetical?
Baltics have been in this alliance since 2004. What danger did that prove to pose to Russia?
Ukraine and all other post-Soviet countries rushed into NATO after being invaded, pillaged, and raped repeatedly by Russians for decades or centuries. You think this is comparable to Mexico/US? Russian aggression is a top reason for NATO’s growth, e.g. now thanks to the genius “special military operation”, Sweden and Finland joined and the border Russia shares with NATO doubled.
Get a clue vatnik
Those Baltic countries are further away from Moscow than Ukraine.
Besides, the US has a long, documented history of triggering regime change in foreign countries and installing leaders who serve their interests. They also have invaded countless counties, but I guess it’s only bad when Russia does it?
If the US invaded Mexico and then asked it not to join any military alliance? I think you’d be hard pressed to find somebody who’d find those demands acceptable, even here
The U.S. has a long, documented history of triggering regime change in foreign countries and installing leaders who serves the US interests.
What right does Moscow have to impose its will on other sovereign nations? None.
That’s a very stupid premise. You think Ukraine should surrender now only to be surely destroyed later. You think that is preferable to fighting for their freedom.
I don’t know what kind of coward thinks in such terms. No offense.
Troll or Russian bot I’d guess.
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I have seen this account commenting on other posts relating to Ukraine / Russia war. Always the same premise that Ukraine back down, leave itself unprotected and it will be all good. Obviously totally ignoring prior history or the fact Russia can coexist with other fully armed NATO neighbours at it other borders without invading them.
You could drive yourself mad arguing with these nitwits so best to ignore and move on.
I am warning you now, if you insult me again we are done. I enjoy having conversations with people no matter if I agree with them or not but only as long as it remain civil.
Yes, surrendering now is better than losing more and more territories later.
Ukraine will not be destroyed later, it will be destroyed if it doesn’t make peace now.
If you’re so brave, why aren’t you at the front lines defending them?
I didn’t know I was insulting you. I was insulting a cowards premise. If you recognize yourself in this, it’s not an insult, but a recognition of your character.
If Ukraine surrenders with the concessions that Putin wants they are destroyed. If I attack you and tell you I will stop if you give me everything, plus you can’t call for help, then that means you are mine. You will retain nothing. You will be under my complete control. Now and in the future. You are finished.
You know, you can also support cancer research and not be a doctor, just like having a brain doesn’t require you to use it, apparently, unfortunately.
I don’t want to interact with people like yourself, bye.
I don’t know what kind of assholes writes this.
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Witch would be a flat out lie
Yeah. The absolute best that they can hope for is a Belarus like puppet state.
If you seriously wanted peace this wouldn’t be a concern.
That’d be true if both parties would actually want what they say they want, not if either party is untrustworthy and has a record of breaking agreements.
Congrats to the EU. With the destabilization of one of it’s largest allies it seems the most of the continent is uniting to make up the difference. Seems like Europe as a whole will dominate the next few decades
We have our own unique blend of fascist movements in every country, unfortunately. Right now it’s still manageable but it’s not all sunshine and rainbows either.
Don’t want to get all doomer, I’m very hopeful and proud to be European, but I do want to set realistic expectations. People need to fight the good fight and not rest on their laurels.
Luckily the common parliamentary system does seem more effective at slowing them down
If we don’t manage to royally screw it up… Brexit pun intended
They’ll dominate alright, just not in a positive way
You’re dreaming in 4K
EU Leaders promptly replied with a joint statement: “Or, what, exactly?”
Something something red line. Something something nuclear war. Same old boring saber-rattling which translates to “stop defending yourself!”
Or Donald trump’s ceasefire deal goes up in flames. No big loss there tho
Resolved in one day as promised
I mean, it did go up in flames in one day
Art of the deal
Haha, no-can-do, Komrade
- Europe
Best fucking investment ever! Definitely going to return multiples on the investment. Puttie’s little massive scam be “booming” like Russian weapon depots!
