• @[email protected]
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    142 months ago

    I would not risk 36TB of data on a single drive let alone a Seagate. Never had a good experience with them.

    • @[email protected]
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      112 months ago

      They seem to be very hit and miss in that there are some models with very low failure rates, but then there are some with very high.

      That said, the 36 TB drive is most definitely not meant to be used as a single drive without any redundancy. I have no idea what the big guys at Backblaze for an example, are doing, but I’d want to be able to lose two drives in an array before I lose all my shit. So RAID 6 for me. Still, I’d likely be going with smaller drives because however much a 36 TB drive costs, I don’t wanna feel like I’m spending 2x the cost of one of those just for redundancy lmao

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        42 months ago

        I’d want to be able to lose two drives in an array before I lose all my shit. So RAID 6 for me.

        Repeat after me: RAID is not a backup solution, RAID is a high-availability solution.

        The point of RAID is not to safeguard your data, you need proper backups for that (3-2-1 rule of backups: 3 copies of the data on 2 different storage media, with 1 copy off-site). RAID will not protect your data from deletion from user error, malware, OS bugs, or anything like that.

        The point of RAID is so everyone can keep working if there is a hardware failure. It’s there to prevent downtime.

        • @[email protected]
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          42 months ago

          It’s 36 TB drives. Most people are planning on keeping anything legal or self-produced there. It’s going to be pirated media and idk about you but I’m not uploading that to any cloud provider lmao

          • @[email protected]
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            32 months ago

            These are enterprise drives, they aren’t going to contain anything pirated. They are probably going to one of those cloud providers you don’t want to upload your data to.

              • @[email protected]
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                12 months ago

                There’s a big difference between “most people” in your original comment and your shift to “I” in this reply. That’s what the other commenter is “on about”

                • @[email protected]
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                  12 months ago

                  Do consumer oriented stores not carry them in your country? I can, as a private person, simply buy them from a consumer computer parts store. Anyone can. You can order one from here if you want, but idk how they’d manage delivery lol

                  • @[email protected]
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                    12 months ago

                    How do you get from there to your theory that “most people” buying these drives will be consumer pirates and not enterprise customers. That’s where you lose everyone.

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        12 months ago

        I use mirrors, so RAID 1 right now and likely RAID 10 when I get more drives. That’s the safest IMO, since you don’t need the rest of the array to resilver your new drive, only the ones in its mirror pool, which reduces the likelihood of a cascading failure.

    • Kairos
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      102 months ago

      The only thing I want is reasonably cheap 3.5" SSDs. Sata is fine just let me pay $500 for a 12TB SSD please.

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        62 months ago

        Yeah, nvme drives show how little space the storage takes up. Just stick a bunch of them inside the 3.5" format, along with a controller and cooling, and that would be great for a large/slow (relative to NVME) drive capped by SATA speeds.

        I don’t miss the noise hard drives make, plus it’s nice to not really worry as much about what kind of magnetic activity might be going on around it, like is my subwoofer too close or what if my kid somehow gets her hands on a powerful magnet and wants to see if it will stick to my PC case.

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          Heat Didn’t read your full comment sorry. How would heat control work? Integrated fan?

          • @[email protected]
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            12 months ago

            Passive cooling could be enough. Even a bunch of ssd chips wouldn’t take up all of the vertical space, so top of the case could just be a heat sink. Though it might need instructions to only install it in an enclosure that has a fan blowing air past it (and not use the spots behind the mobo that don’t get much airflow).

            A lot of motherboards come with metal styling that acts as a heat sink for nvme drives without even using fins, though they still have more surface area than a 3.5" drive and only have to deal with the heat from one or two chips.

            But maybe it isn’t realistic and that’s why we don’t see SSDs like that on the market (in addition to price).

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              22 months ago

              Hm. Maybe a small laptop style fan on the port side? Takes in air and spits it out right next to it. NVMEs seem fine not having cooling anyway.

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                12 months ago

                Yeah, I’ve wondered if the ones that come with heat sinks really need them or if it’s just a gimmick to make people think the performance is better.

                I want one of those heat cameras some use in hardware reviews. I don’t need one, but Iwant one lol.

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      You couldn’t afford this drive unless you are enterprise so there’s nothing to worry about. They don’t sell them by the 1. You have to buy enough for a rack at once.

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      52 months ago

      Ignoring the Seagate part, which makes sense… Is there a reason with 36TB?

      I recall IT people losing their minds when we hit the 1TB, when the average hard drive was like 80GB.

      So this growth seems right.

      • @[email protected]
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        62 months ago

        It’s raid rebuild times.

        The bigger the drive, the longer the time.

        The longer the time, the more likely the rebuild will fail.

        That said, modern raid is much more robust against this kind of fault, but still: if you have one parity drive, one dead drive, and a raid rebuild, if you lose another drive you’re fucked.

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          12 months ago

          Just rebuilt onto Ceph and it’s a game changer. Drive fails? Who cares, replace it with a bigger drive and go about your day. If total drive count is large enough, and depends if using EC or replication, it could mean pulling data from tons of drives instead of a handful.

          • @[email protected]
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            22 months ago

            It’s still the same issue, RAID or Ceph. If a physical drive can only write 100 MB/s, a 36TB drive will take 360,000 seconds (6000 minutes or 100 hours) to write. During the 100-hour window, you’ll be down a drive, and be vulnerable to a second failure. Both RAID and Ceph can be configured for more redundancy at the cost of less storage capacity, but even Ceph fails (down to read only mode, or data loss) if too many physical drives fail.

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              12 months ago

              While true, it can fill the drive replacement with data spread from way more number of drives than raid can, so the point I was trying to make is that a second failure due to resilvering cam be greatly mitigated by using a Ceph setup.

      • katy ✨
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        52 months ago

        I recall IT people losing their minds when we hit the 1TB

        1TB? I remember when my first computer had a state of the art 200MB hard drive.

        • @[email protected]
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          92 months ago

          Quick note, HDD storage is not using transistors to store the data, so is not really directly related to Moore’s law. SSDs do use transistors/nano structures (NAND) for storage and it’s storage capacity is more related to Moore’s law.