Summary

Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

    • @[email protected]
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      @[email protected] said

      I can’t wait for Trump to die

      DANGER Will Robinson! we can’t threaten people here, not even oompaloompas.

      I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I’m not a great shot, but at 130m firing from a prone position I would have made that shot 9 times out of 10. Heck, I had my family on the range firing a diemaco c7 (the colt Canada ar15) as part of a family appreciation day in my home guard company. They hadn’t shot more than an air rifle before, and after about three rounds each they shot killing shots at a silhuet at 200m.

      How that guy could miss is beyond me. Almost like it was intentional.

    • @[email protected]
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      1916 days ago

      I’m not American but wouldn’t that mean Vance becomes president? It’s tempting to think he couldn’t be any worse, but trump likes the fucker so who knows?

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        1916 days ago

        Honestly, Vance seems even worse to me. Trump has that embarrassing grandpa vibe and he seems too stupid to make any important decisions on his own or realize what he’s doing. Vance gives me a determined murderous intent vibe.

        • @[email protected]
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          416 days ago

          Yeah Vance seems like a straight up dangerous psychopath. I’m very scared of him getting more power. (I’m worried already by the immense power he already has) I hope public support galvanizes against him quickly.

          • @[email protected]
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            216 days ago

            Vance is much less capable than Trump (and yes, I realize the complete deapth of incompetence that would imply). The harm that he could do would be negated by the complete inability of anyone around him to take him or any threat from him seriously. Especially those on his own side.

            Trump, at the very least, still has the threat of his rabid fans to wield.

            • @[email protected]
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              216 days ago

              Less capable? I’m not so sure, the dude has backchannel smarmed his way into being VP at the age of like fucking 12, he’s smart and ambitious and evil. Bad combination.

              • @[email protected]
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                115 days ago

                He’s there because he is a willing toady and not a threat to Trump. No one would be willing to follow him.

      • @[email protected]
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        1716 days ago

        The main benefit of it is a lot of the MAGA movement will wither with him gone. Someone will be a successor to it, but I don’t think anyone is as influential to that movement as he is.

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          -116 days ago

          I thought that, too. The movement will whither without a charismatic, shameless entertainer as its face and focus; who else is out there like that? Then, it hit me.

          Joe Rogan.

          But it’s not like President Leon is cozying up to Rogan… right?

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        -3716 days ago

        After watching the trump, JD, zelensky situation, I lost a big of respect for JD. He acted like a twat. Trump is definitely a better president than him. President that is. They are both douchebags, but so far doing good for the country.

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            -1916 days ago

            Don’t indult your elders, grandpa’s have been through some shit. Sadly I can’t berate you with realities though as I’m not even close to being that old.

        • @[email protected]
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          716 days ago

          I’m curious, what good do you see trump doing for the country? It seems to me that he’s doing a lot of harm but we probably have differing views

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              If trump starts sending people to gas Chambers and murdering races he didn’t like, I’ll be there with you screaming ‘nazi Hitler’ at the top of my lungs

              When I call Trump and Musk Nazis, I’m not talking about concentration camps or genocide as with 1940 Nazis either. I’m referring to 1933 Nazis which were using demonization of others, attacking independent media, and The Big Lie to consolidate power. These are what made the Holocaust possible.

                • @[email protected]
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                  1316 days ago

                  There’s not enough crayons and sock puppets in the entire multiverse to get your dumbass to understand.

                • @[email protected]
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                  916 days ago

                  Nothing is bad about that, IF that was what was actually happening. Unfortunately, it very much is not.

                  I don’t have the time to go on explaining why upping taxes for everyone making under $500k isn’t catering to 99.999% of the population. Or how blowing up USAID and surprise Pikachu facing when farmers can’t sell their crops since they sold a lot to USAID (not to mention all the soft power USAID gets us and how useful it is to so many people here and abroad). Restricting access to news agencies is not “more freedom of speech” but rather suppression of it.

                  Idk you know there is a bunch more I could say but the reality is not at all what you’re painting with your comments.

              • @[email protected]
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                316 days ago

                I’m starting to think maybe the username isn’t just a username, and the account is literally for a wall panel to express its views.

            • @[email protected]
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              816 days ago

              Wow, a real one in the wild. It’s incredible to see how twisted your perception of reality is.

            • @[email protected]
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              816 days ago

              Can women be in men’s sports?

              What about the veterans who lost their government job?

              What efficiency has been created?

              What if he starts concentration camps, is that enough to compare Trump to Hitler? Or does it have to specifically be death camps? What if people in those concentrations camps just disappeared and nobody cound find them, would that count?

            • katy ✨
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              516 days ago

              You don’t get to claim you’re protecting women with transphobic laws when you’re actively inviting sex traffickers like the Tate Brothers to Florida… the whole anti trans women in sports is just misogyny.

            • @[email protected]
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              516 days ago

              Please name/link the wars that ended during his administrations. Why can’t the sports leagues decide who participates via their own rules?

              • @[email protected]
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                116 days ago

                I’ll give him Afghanistan as he organized the withdrawal… but we saw how big a fuckup that was, so bravo for ending that war after 20 years, but proves he has no idea what he’s doing.

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                  416 days ago

                  He declined to execute the withdrawal, it didn’t happen during the Trump administration.

                  Wars ended: 0.

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      -9816 days ago

      Oh shit. I just got here. I see Lemmy is dangerously woke too. Wishing someone to die is rather nasty. I do agree putting that on tv was stupid, world leaders should do all their negotiating (bickering) behind closed doors.

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        4316 days ago

        Not addressing the rest of the comment, but ”world leaders should discuss everything behind closed doors” is a dangerously shortsighted take. You do realize their job is to represent you, right? How do you think you can verify they are doing that if you are not allowed to see and hear what’s being said?

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          I mean, given this is the first time in history two world leaders have negotiated a peace treaty on live tv, yeah. That is not a good idea. They need to feel Free to argue and debate for hours without worrying about pride and pr in front of millions of people. But if you are saying transparency and showing every action on tv by presidents etc is good, then are you pro Donald trump? Because no previous president has been this transparent.

          • @[email protected]
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            816 days ago

            After Musk testifies before House or Senate under oath, your transparency claims might become valid. Until then…

          • @[email protected]
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            716 days ago

            Well, it definitely isn’t a good idea if you’re Trump. I would love to know how Zelenskyy managed to get that kind of a meeting.

            What am I saying? He probably just asked. “Hey, I would love to discuss this deal over our very valuable minerals. Let’s invite the newsmedia and record the whole thing, so everybody can see what an awesome negotiator you are!” Pretty easy to win a battle of wits when your opponent is unarmed.

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        2316 days ago

        Man life must be so fucking easy for you to never feel threatened by politicians. It’s all just a big TV show in your eyes isn’t it?

        • @[email protected]
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          -1116 days ago

          Holy hell no. Politicians start wars and send innocent people to their deaths. It’s no joke.

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        1216 days ago

        It was put on TV on purpose to make Zelensky look weak and make the US look strong (it’s called propaganda) and so daddy Vlad can see that Trump is a good boy.

        I can happily confirm that the woke mind virus is alive and well on Lemmy.

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          316 days ago

          You’re half right. It was put on TV to make Zelenskyy look good and for Trump and Vance to look like fools, and they played right into it.

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          It didn’t work very well, if anything it made zelensky look human, JD look like a prick, and trump look like… trump? I like what trump and co have done so far to fix the mess of woke and corruption, but even I didn’t like trump or JD after watching this. If they really were trying to do as you say, they failed. Big time.

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                1616 days ago

                LGBTQ is surprisingly unaccepting towards bigots. And I find that pretty accepting because I am not a bigot.

              • Alatha-Thrythwynn
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                1616 days ago

                We are. We do not, however, support fascists, those who are ok with mocking the disabled, grifters, those who are ok with intentionally misgendering others, those who support the marginalization of minorities, people that support the sale of our country to the highest bidders, etc. You support these a-holes and what they are doing to us and this country, therefore, you will not find much acceptance from a good many of us.

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                1016 days ago

                I’m not LGBTQ (although I respect them), sorry I’m just very upset with Trump and how much of a horrible person he is, or, more broadly, what the republican party is right now, I really wanted someone like Bernie who seems to actually be a good person, in power

              • ArxCyberwolf
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                616 days ago

                Paradox of tolerance. You wanna be a hateful bigoted asshole, don’t be surprised when everyone shows you the door.

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                Did you just call someone a homosexual to insult them? Are you 12? Is “LGBTQ” your version of calling someone a fag these days? Holy shit. I’m an old man, a horrible person, and a complete asshole but even I know how fucking stupid and out of touch a person sounds calling someone a fag LGBTQ.
                No wonder even a fascist haven like reddit banned you. They were probably so overcome with cringe and embarrassment that they perma-banned you ASAP.

          • @[email protected]
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            1316 days ago

            I would love to, sadly they only accept your kind over there.

            You got banned from nazi digg for being too far to the right, and you thought that lemmy would be more hospitable?

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              -2716 days ago

              Ugh. Ok. If you lot are as nice and accepting as you like to claim, could you point me in the direction of a website with normal people to talk to then? Cheers.

              • Alatha-Thrythwynn
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                1716 days ago

                Try Truth Social. I hear that is the place for head-in-the-sand, delusional, can-not-form-a-coherent thought, group-think individuals who worship at the feet of the 🍊 💩 bag.

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                  I could have done without the paragraph of insults, but overall, cheers for pointing me in (hopefully) the right direction to find some sanity on the internet.

                  • Alatha-Thrythwynn
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                    1116 days ago

                    Happy to help if it gets you gone. As for finding sanity there, I’m pretty sure all you’ll find are grifters and bigots, but you do you.

      • @[email protected]
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        -516 days ago

        We are woke and bang hot liberal chicks. You are an incel and masturbate to anime and the fantasy of having a tradwife, a fantasy that will never materialize. We are not the same.