To be fair, everyone’s views are shaped by propaganda of some kind, it’s quite literally unavoidable if you exist within any society. Lots of people like to think that their ideas are just the product of their own independent thinking, but that isn’t really how people work.
The current state American society has been in for the last 10 to 15 years is heavily a consequence of Russian info ops. Many countries run info ops. But no country has done as much damage as Russia
Yes, the solution to America’s problems is more centralized government control of information, to make sure that those evil ruskies can’t corrupt our pure bodily fluids internet.
No other country has done as much? We’re gonna just ignore how much support Israel has thrown behind Trump? Netanyahu was meeting and communicating with him during the 2024 election cycle, all while ignoring the Biden administration! Snubbing a sitting president for a prospective candidate!
Yeah, no. American Oligarchs did social media. Youtube, Twitter, facebook, instagram all American. First they did it for money now they are doing it openly for power. Cambridge Analytica, anti-vax, anti-trans, anti-abortion, anti-immigrant all of these are made by Americans to poison the world. And they are going to do much worse with AI. Americans destroyed the world.
Corporate control over an algorithm that decides who is served what content is a platform-agnostic tool of power over society. We’re seeing that danger manifest in old and new ways every single day. That lever of power allows whomever owns that particular medium to push whatever content they like. That is the entire motivation behind and purpose of the Fediverse and other decentralization efforts.
Zuck and muskrat separate populations, push propaganda and influence discussions at an unprecedented level. The control a single corporation, a single authoritarian point of power has over such vast swathes of population dwarfs the propagandic power of Goebbles and Stalin by an order of magnitude or more.
I don’t blame America explicitly like the other commenter. The conditions that have allowed the billionaire class to explode and wield power and influence exist elsewhere in the world as well. That said, America’s legal and regulatory frameworks did provide particularly fertile breeding grounds for the exploitation and hoarding of capital that produces billionaires.
Yea naw, my parents watch WeChat short videos and read their BS articles and they constantly regurgitate anti-Democrat rhetorics, and whenever someone gets shot by police, they fucking cheer, the homeless people, anyone with a “mental illness”, even George Floyd, they think trials are waste of time and resources, they want the system to just skip the trial and want the suspects dead.
Can’t even blame “Americans” for this, the CCP has full control of the content, they clearly aren’t censoring it.
WeChat is literally poisoning the Chinese Overseas Diaspora. Its another tentacle of the CCP’s power. There’s no doubt they also infect social media platforms like facebook, xitter, etc…They sow chaos, and untimately, whatever the CCP does damages the repututation of anyone who is ethnic Chinese or looks ethnic Chinese. They are infaming Sinophobia by being the worse representatives of my people. And all the abuse that I have endured from my parents is from this toxic culture, fuck this “filial piety” BS, fuck conservatism. I’ve been helping out in my parents bussiness, and they still say I’m useless. I really wanna go back in time and shoot confucious for inventing the stupid ass religion, fuck your 孝順, its literally parental indoctrination to control their children. Evil ass shit. Fuck confucious.
I assumed the US was disseminating right-wing propaganda among the chinese diaspora, given that they do it with every other one.
What does China even get out of turning your parents into right-wing psychos? America gets a community that is happy to work with them against their home country.
Andrew Wakefield, the guy who started the antivax movement, is British
anti-trans,
The US passed laws protecting trans people and many Americans are literally trans or allies. Russia however, is extremely anti-trans.
anti-abortion,
See the above point
anti-immigrant
See the above point, also, America is a country of immigrants and refugees, “Melting Pot,” America was one of the first countries to encourage and mobilize massive movements of immigrants, which sheltered them from oppressive governments looking to hurt them. This includes people fleeing from Russia and their wars and genocides like the Holodomor.
I have no issue with Russian people, I have an issue with Putin and the Russian state government committing atrocities globally including usurping governments. I am not a liberal, I am an abolitionist and socialist.
Whether you acknowledge it or now, their bombs will blow you up the same.
my sibling in Christ, Reps. Mace and Jackson literally shouted the t-slur yesterday and called for all trans people to be forcibly institutionalized. Trump said he “wouldn’t oppose” banning the trans flag when a reporter asked about “transtifa.” Musk retweeted someone who called trans women “perverted, deranged bioweapons” and trans men “osteoporotic, androgynous goblins,” calling us to be contained and forbidden to communicate with each other. along with someone else calling for a total ban on HRT for all ages. we’ve been kicked out of the military, and stripped of security clearances. the DoJ has floated banning us from gun ownership by ruling that we’re “mentally defective.” my passport has an M on it because Trump reverted all the rules on his first day in office. it’s a literal felony for trans women to use the women’s bathroom in Florida, and for trans office workers to use their own pronouns. coverage for trans health has been stripped from nearly every public service. trans protections have recently been eviscerated in Skrmetti.
They are not America even if they seized fascist control of America. America is the people here and that includes activists and trans people. That includes you and me.
That we cry out and care is evidence the universe cries out and cares, since we are part of the universe as well. The universe through us cries out.
That we cry out and care is evidence Americans care, because we are both Americans. It is so so so important to not equate America with hate, but instead to equate the MAGA admin with hate.
And regardless, those anti-trans laws are literally Putin/Russian as a policy - remember how Russia got mad at the Olympic boxer and demanded she be tested? Russia literally funded the politicians for those laws, made all the propaganda pieces and ads, etc etc etc. And ofc some traitors and assholes went with it.
Literally just reinventing the Nazis conspiracy theory that Russians are secretly behind all their nations problems.
They are not America
You are literally arguing that literal birth American citizens living in America aren’t really American and are actually “Russian” in some kind of ontological way. You have literally defined ‘Russian’ and ‘American’ in such a way that all of America’s problems are, by definition Russia, even if they are caused entirely by American policy made by Americans in America. This is hardcore literal Nazi shit you are doing.
That’s true, but you still follow some propaganda. You are aware of it, great, but what’s the difference between someone following the propaganda being aware of it and someone following it blindly?
Intent, mindfulness, and informed decision making?
I mean, knowing that something is technically propaganda does not make it wrong or make it taboo to repeat. The word has a negative connotation because it’s typically used to describe the “other” guys, sure, but its meaning is very broad.
If I were to say the phrase “fuck Nestle” or even just the term “DeGoogle” one could correctly label those as anti-corporate propaganda with an agenda to harm the interests of an untold number of shareholders. Heck, thanks to broadly diversified 401k investment fund options, I am probably one of them and future me could lose entire dollars.
Is anybody on Lemmy going to shake their finger at me for repeating those two pieces of targeted, agenda-driven propaganda though? I certainly don’t feel icky for saying it. I bet I could even say something negative about the president of the united states without feeling embarrassed. :]
You’re not wrong. I like to think I’m immune to proponganda because I’m anarchist but it’s pretty obvious that I can be fooled just as easily as anyone by the pretense of speaking truth to power
Is there propaganda that is fascist in nature? It’s bad propaganda then. Can you give an example? Propaganda should always be for all good and everyone’s happiness. Specifics don’t matter, you can bring the followers wherever you want later.
To be fair, everyone’s views are shaped by propaganda of some kind, it’s quite literally unavoidable if you exist within any society. Lots of people like to think that their ideas are just the product of their own independent thinking, but that isn’t really how people work.
The current state American society has been in for the last 10 to 15 years is heavily a consequence of Russian info ops. Many countries run info ops. But no country has done as much damage as Russia
We need a national online forum
Yes, the solution to America’s problems is more centralized government control of information, to make sure that those evil ruskies can’t corrupt our pure
bodily fluidsinternet.No other country has done as much? We’re gonna just ignore how much support Israel has thrown behind Trump? Netanyahu was meeting and communicating with him during the 2024 election cycle, all while ignoring the Biden administration! Snubbing a sitting president for a prospective candidate!
The trick is, every-time it looks like someone other than Russia is behind it, you just have to argue that Russia is secretly being them!
Yeah, no. American Oligarchs did social media. Youtube, Twitter, facebook, instagram all American. First they did it for money now they are doing it openly for power. Cambridge Analytica, anti-vax, anti-trans, anti-abortion, anti-immigrant all of these are made by Americans to poison the world. And they are going to do much worse with AI. Americans destroyed the world.
You understand the difference between a medium and the content on that medium right?
That’s a rhetorical question since you clearly don’t.
Do you? Control over the medium is far more powerful than being a mere user of that medium.
Corporate control over an algorithm that decides who is served what content is a platform-agnostic tool of power over society. We’re seeing that danger manifest in old and new ways every single day. That lever of power allows whomever owns that particular medium to push whatever content they like. That is the entire motivation behind and purpose of the Fediverse and other decentralization efforts.
Zuck and muskrat separate populations, push propaganda and influence discussions at an unprecedented level. The control a single corporation, a single authoritarian point of power has over such vast swathes of population dwarfs the propagandic power of Goebbles and Stalin by an order of magnitude or more.
I don’t blame America explicitly like the other commenter. The conditions that have allowed the billionaire class to explode and wield power and influence exist elsewhere in the world as well. That said, America’s legal and regulatory frameworks did provide particularly fertile breeding grounds for the exploitation and hoarding of capital that produces billionaires.
Yea naw, my parents watch WeChat short videos and read their BS articles and they constantly regurgitate anti-Democrat rhetorics, and whenever someone gets shot by police, they fucking cheer, the homeless people, anyone with a “mental illness”, even George Floyd, they think trials are waste of time and resources, they want the system to just skip the trial and want the suspects dead.Can’t even blame “Americans” for this, the CCP has full control of the content, they clearly aren’t censoring it.WeChat is literally poisoning the Chinese Overseas Diaspora. Its another tentacle of the CCP’s power. There’s no doubt they also infect social media platforms like facebook, xitter, etc…They sow chaos, and untimately, whatever the CCP does damages the repututation of anyone who is ethnic Chinese or looks ethnic Chinese. They are infaming Sinophobia by being the worse representatives of my people. And all the abuse that I have endured from my parents is from this toxic culture, fuck this “filial piety” BS, fuck conservatism. I’ve been helping out in my parents bussiness, and they still say I’m useless. I really wanna go back in time and shoot confucious for inventing the stupid ass religion, fuck your 孝順, its literally parental indoctrination to control their children. Evil ass shit. Fuck confucious.Nvm
I assumed the US was disseminating right-wing propaganda among the chinese diaspora, given that they do it with every other one.
What does China even get out of turning your parents into right-wing psychos? America gets a community that is happy to work with them against their home country.
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I’m sorry for that. If its any consolation, the dynamics usually change as they get older and more dependent on you.
That’s British
Andrew Wakefield, the guy who started the antivax movement, is British
The US passed laws protecting trans people and many Americans are literally trans or allies. Russia however, is extremely anti-trans.
See the above point
See the above point, also, America is a country of immigrants and refugees, “Melting Pot,” America was one of the first countries to encourage and mobilize massive movements of immigrants, which sheltered them from oppressive governments looking to hurt them. This includes people fleeing from Russia and their wars and genocides like the Holodomor.
ahh, to live in 2014 again.
It’s still here in 2025. America isn’t a bunch of fascist MAGAs, even if we are being taken over by Russian assets and Russian propaganda.
You know America is cooked because even liberals are blaming everything on evil foreigners
I have no issue with Russian people, I have an issue with Putin and the Russian state government committing atrocities globally including usurping governments. I am not a liberal, I am an abolitionist and socialist.
Whether you acknowledge it or now, their bombs will blow you up the same.
No. This level of xenophobia, American exceptionalism, and McCarthyism are incompatible with actually being an abolitionist and a socialist.
All bombs will blow you up, genius, including American ones, which blow up more people than anyone else.
my sibling in Christ, Reps. Mace and Jackson literally shouted the t-slur yesterday and called for all trans people to be forcibly institutionalized. Trump said he “wouldn’t oppose” banning the trans flag when a reporter asked about “transtifa.” Musk retweeted someone who called trans women “perverted, deranged bioweapons” and trans men “osteoporotic, androgynous goblins,” calling us to be contained and forbidden to communicate with each other. along with someone else calling for a total ban on HRT for all ages. we’ve been kicked out of the military, and stripped of security clearances. the DoJ has floated banning us from gun ownership by ruling that we’re “mentally defective.” my passport has an M on it because Trump reverted all the rules on his first day in office. it’s a literal felony for trans women to use the women’s bathroom in Florida, and for trans office workers to use their own pronouns. coverage for trans health has been stripped from nearly every public service. trans protections have recently been eviscerated in Skrmetti.
it’s really not going great.
They are not America even if they seized fascist control of America. America is the people here and that includes activists and trans people. That includes you and me.
That we cry out and care is evidence the universe cries out and cares, since we are part of the universe as well. The universe through us cries out.
That we cry out and care is evidence Americans care, because we are both Americans. It is so so so important to not equate America with hate, but instead to equate the MAGA admin with hate.
And regardless, those anti-trans laws are literally Putin/Russian as a policy - remember how Russia got mad at the Olympic boxer and demanded she be tested? Russia literally funded the politicians for those laws, made all the propaganda pieces and ads, etc etc etc. And ofc some traitors and assholes went with it.
Literally just reinventing the Nazis conspiracy theory that Russians are secretly behind all their nations problems.
You are literally arguing that literal birth American citizens living in America aren’t really American and are actually “Russian” in some kind of ontological way. You have literally defined ‘Russian’ and ‘American’ in such a way that all of America’s problems are, by definition Russia, even if they are caused entirely by American policy made by Americans in America. This is hardcore literal Nazi shit you are doing.
The key is to be constantly aware of it. Never follow someone blindly.
So, for example, don’t blindly accept casualty numbers for Russia directly from the Ukrainian government?
That’s true, but you still follow some propaganda. You are aware of it, great, but what’s the difference between someone following the propaganda being aware of it and someone following it blindly?
Intent, mindfulness, and informed decision making?
I mean, knowing that something is technically propaganda does not make it wrong or make it taboo to repeat. The word has a negative connotation because it’s typically used to describe the “other” guys, sure, but its meaning is very broad.
If I were to say the phrase “fuck Nestle” or even just the term “DeGoogle” one could correctly label those as anti-corporate propaganda with an agenda to harm the interests of an untold number of shareholders. Heck, thanks to broadly diversified 401k investment fund options, I am probably one of them and future me could lose entire dollars.
Is anybody on Lemmy going to shake their finger at me for repeating those two pieces of targeted, agenda-driven propaganda though? I certainly don’t feel icky for saying it. I bet I could even say something negative about the president of the united states without feeling embarrassed. :]
I am not going to believe your propaganda! My pristine, untainted thoughts won’t take this slander. /s
You’re not wrong. I like to think I’m immune to proponganda because I’m anarchist but it’s pretty obvious that I can be fooled just as easily as anyone by the pretense of speaking truth to power
While that is true, some propaganda is definitely more harmful while some others are relatively harmless.
Yes, but most propaganda is not specifically fascist in nature.
Is there propaganda that is fascist in nature? It’s bad propaganda then. Can you give an example? Propaganda should always be for all good and everyone’s happiness. Specifics don’t matter, you can bring the followers wherever you want later.
…yes. you have access to search engines