why?
times have changed
Times have been updated.
Chronology is progressing
Almost made me tear up a bit
Godamnit Einstein, not again.
they’re probably patching a security flaw, because we live in the future now and it is perfectly normal for a simple clock to have backdoors that can read your bank accounts
“My dishwasher is on the internet!” - “Why is on the internet?” - “To download software updates!” - “Why does it need software updates?” - “To fix security vulnerabilities!” - “Why would it have security vulnerabilities?” -“Because it’s on the internet!”
I never connected my refrigerator to the internet. Why the fuck would I need Bixby on my refrigerator? I don’t even use the voice assistant on my phone.
Yeah, I’m absurdly suspicious of pretty much everything connected to the internet these days. I’m suspicious of any cameras, of people randomly happening to take a picture with me in the background. I’m suspicious of talking out loud around my phone…the future sucks.
Although, thankfully the pandemic has given me a seemingly never-ending excuse to wear something over my face at all times.
haha, same, every time someone asks me for a pic i have to choose between refusing by making something up (bad hair etc), going with the privacy infodump, or accepting and just regretting it for my whole life
Don’t forget lightbulbs.
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The companies BUILD IN backdoors so that they can steal your data.
But because the backdoor is built in, they have to constantly monitor and update the security around it so that “bad guys” (they don’t think they are the bad guys) don’t get in.
They only do security updates to prevent liability iirc.
The whole thing stinks.
Note: I’m not a software developer just an outraged bystander with tech hobbies and techy friends, it’s possible this isn’t true.
It’s difficult to monetise data if you source it illegally (except in China maybe). Nobody reads the ToS anyway so it’s not like you need a backdoor.
I have been with a few companies as an engineer, and can at least confirm that you are right from my experience. Nobody really needs a backdoor to get massive amounts of data. The ToS for most software makes it so they can already do whatever they want with it. It’s pretty easy to get a lot of data just by having people use their services normally.
No need for backdoors when the front door is perfectly legal. The need to monitor for bad actors is still correct, though; mostly because they skimp on development costs and penetration testing. Like they say, “never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.” Or in this case, slashing budgets.
What would the “front door” even be in this case? What comes to my mind is the corresponding app on your phone, but that doesn’t really make sense in this context.
In this case, the “front door” would just be not hiding it. Normal, un-hidden APIs. A back door is usually something that the developer includes without informing the user, but they don’t need to be surreptitious; there’s no legal reason to pretend that they’re not collecting the data, and unless you’ve built your brand on privacy and security, there’s no business reason to do so either in the current cultural climate.
And given that the appliance needs to communicate with the app on your phone while you’re not home in the first place, there probably isn’t even a separate tracking API vs. data just being harvested as part of normal operations. So “back door” doesn’t really fit. “Broken by design” or “spyware” would be more apt, I think.
Still, I’m really not a fan of calling any spying/data harvesting a “front door” – IIRC, the term was coined by an FBI head pushing for back doors in our phones so the FBI could scan our messages. But he called it a “front door” as a way to dodge the reasons why building back doors in our security software is a terrible idea.
It’s just another step in the terrible trend of “let’s pretend that this horrible idea is ok if we just rename it” :(
Megaman Battle Network was prophetic. You’re just living daily life and then a terrorist kills your child by hacking the AC.
That update is going to take some time.
Man…fuck you…take your upvote and gtfo
Estimated update time is being updated please wait [Estimated update time is being updated please wait[Estimated update time is being updated please wait…] minutes] minutes
Aww man
They are just getting you ready for Time 2.
Its faster and greener, with advertisements tailored to your interests!
Trying to get Windows 11 to show seconds.
Click the clock on the taskbar, which has worked as far as I remember, maybe even before Windows 95. Notifications and calendar pop up but no seconds.
Search “seconds” in settings. Apparently you can only have them shown on the taskbar permanently (with implied distraction and CPU usage).
Look in time settings. No seconds, either.
Open the Clock app. The update takes a minute. No seconds there, either.
Search the internet. Apparently this is a function Microsoft disabled in Windows 11 but can be restored with Explorer Patcher, along with the option to set taskbar transparency via Classic Shell (so that you can watch the status in another window while others are maximized).
Don’t have time for that, install Linux instead
(I’m not even kodding. The only place where a vanilla Windows 11 installation will show seconds in GUI is a very obscure page deep in the unintuitive jungle of settings. Interesting that a $3 watch does something a Windows computer with a million times more transistors doesn’t.)
Welcome to Clock 2.0, the new time and reminder experience from Microsoft! Powered by Bing AI and Microsoft OneDrive.
- Sync your time zones, alarms, and reminders to all your devices via Microsoft OneDrive
- Get suggested wake-up times powered by Bing AI and your calendar!
- Use of Clock is governed by the Microsoft Cloud Connected Experiences Privacy Policy (click here to view).
- Click I Agree to start your use of Microsoft Clock!
and for all this, your alarm reminders become yet another datapoint for personalized ads, your phone alarm to wake you up then plays at full blast through the living room computer and wakes everybody else up, and you agreed to a 750kb privacy policy that displays in a 2"x3" window with 500 pages to scroll through.
Finally! Time v1 hasn’t had an update in 4.54 billion years.
Do we lose another eleven days during the switchover?
Time 2
Which we can tell on theclock 2
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Plus Linux could update it in the background while the app is running. There’s no reason windows can’t do these things, and yet, it can’t.
It can’t, really. What Linux will do (and Windows won’t) is delete old files and replace them with new ones while they are still in use. But this has two problems.
- It can lead to stability issues. See e.g. Firefox, which refuses to open new tabs and can’t shut down cleanly if you update using the package manager while the browser is running. If you replace a binary executable in use and it later tries to load a shared library dynamically, it will get an unexpected version of that shared library which can potentially lead to memory corruption. Similar problem if the program tries fork+exec itself to create more instances (like Firefox and Chrome do).
- It won’t actually update the running process in memory, so even if you install security fixes your system will still be vulnerable. To be safe after e.g. fixes to libc you really need to reboot your system, but most distributions hide this fact from the user.
Windows could certainly opt for a similar solution as Linux. They just chose a stricter and more reliable model for file locking, for good or bad. For what it’s worth I personally prefer the Linux model, but that’s because I know to reboot my system after updating it. I don’t trust my dad to take that social responsibility so he needs to be forced.
You’re wrong about everything
Clock app’s dependencies includes isNotOdd which has a dependency called isOdd.
You’re confusing linux with nodejs.
lol you get the joke.
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There’s a configuration file you can edit to prevent that. The Flatpak configures this automatically for you.
Linux distros usually raises a reboot required flag. But thats usually to complete some kernel or system update. Windows just go ahead and reboot on update ruining the workflow.
When you get the message to reboot ignore it and do your work. Then shutdown after doing it. Turn on when you need it the next time. And its all well
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“updates were installed, you should reboot”.
But I think you can ignore it, the updates just will not take effect until you reboot.
I have never had problems with windows updates nor has it never rebooted on me. Dunno what the hate is for, at least windows works without knowing 79 different programming languages and having to scour through git repos from 2002 for drivers just to get a driver compiled for your headset (it wont compile because it requires a bingbong-SDK mainted by a guy from turkey who refuses to update it from 1.95v2 to more recent 1.99-6 which is incompatible with your dial-up modem)
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Do you ever feel tired of having to type 55 lines of commands into the console just to open Wine to actually use your pc?
Not really because I just use the stuff. I only use the command line for very basic stuff, usually.
Linux is really nowhere near as hard as you’re making it out to be, 99% of the time.
Yeah, there are times when you run into edge cases that are frustrating. Although I’ve had that with windows once in awhile.
I’ve used Mint for about 10y then ran into a situation where AMD gfx card was too new for the kernel and switched to a Fedora based distro. Which is kind of outrageous to have to do that. But that’s the first time in a decade.
I try to stick to hardware that is fairly mainstream or which implements mainstream standards.
It helps a lot if you’re comfortable with bash. Otherwise if you run into issues and some website gives you a bunch of commands they look like line noise.
I mean, *nix is kind of arcane. But once you know about command format, pipes, redirects, and maybe a couple dozen commands, it gets a lot better.
I learned all this stuff back in the late 80s so it is second nature to me. But it was a learning curve back then. But then, so is powershell or dos.
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I can install whatever I want without any command lines lmao. Thanks for proving my point. Windows just kinda works with an (mostly) intuitive UI and no need to remember thousands of commands which make no sense.
Windows just kinda works
This is how you made clear that you aren’t very experienced. The type of shit that goes wrong with Linux and Windows has a lot of overlap. The difference being that if Linux breaks you have a chance to learn something and fix it. Whereas when Windows inevitably bricks your system with a shitty update that got force installed, you normally have to reinstall your OS
Just admit that your issue with Linux is that you learned a thing and don’t want to learn another because you’re a lazy coward.
Never had a windows brick on me but nice fantasy argument I’ll keep in my backpocket
You say this as if command line is bad? I love the command line for certain tasks. A very common task I do is convert an image from one filetype to another. How does this work on windows? Assuming I have a program that works with each image filetype, I open up the program, click on some menus and dropdown selections and click convert or “save as file type”. On linux, where every major distro has imagemagick installed by default I type
convert image.jpg image.pdfand done. I mean, how much easier can that be?
Or another example is merging a bunch of pdfs. I imagine adobe acrobat can do this, but I’ve never bothered to learn how, as I quickly learned that I can do it using pdftk on linux by typing
pdftk file1.pdf file2.pdf cat output merged.pdfand done. If I do happen to forget the exact syntax for that command, google gives me the answer instantly.
If there’s a difficult command line thing to do with lots of options that can get confusing, there is a GUI interface that someone has written that has the dropdown boxes so you don’t HAVE to learn the specific options, but a little bit of learning the command line makes many tasks way more convenient than a typical windows GUI program.
Regarding wine, you’ve obviously have never used it (or likely even linux). I used my linux pc for 13 years before installing wine to play WoW. (side note to another of your strange assertions, I knew zero programming languages when I switched to linux.) Although, I wasn’t really gaming at all in that time period. I mainly do work on my pc, and the software I use is so much more convenient to us on linux than windows: mainly latex and vim. Some friend asked me to play WoW with them and I said “If I can get it to run on linux, I will.” Kind of thinking it would be a huge pain in the ass to get to run. But the whole process went super smooth, it was maybe 3 commands and now I use zero command line to launch WoW using wine.
Finally, I don’t like the windows UI. Floating desktop managers always annoyed me (including the linux ones such as gnome) whenever I needed multiple windows displayed at once. Way too much fiddliness adjusting window sizes and borders. I learned about tiling window managers, and that’s what I use now. Is tiling even possible on windows? I know you can win+arrow to kinda do this, but then rearranging can be a pain. I know this is all personal preference and most people like floating windows, but it’s a choice I can make on linux.
Yah but you need to do 55 clicks instead to install some program after downloading it from browser.
You can install and run wine from either GUI(even less clicks) or just a oneliner command
55 clicks? Just a double click on the installer and go through the wizard, ez pz, especially when compared to
-git sudo 82737492 dor kror o k /87 +91 ||qidl
Just for it not to work since you don’t have the required punchcard from 60s
*typetypetype*
*3D printed arm connected to raspberry pi opens wine bottle on desk*
*glug-glug-glug*
Now I’m ready to use my pc
Hilarious joke 🙄
You’ve never had windows reboot on you for an update? Are you running 3.1 or something?
I’ve never had windows force a reboot and I don’t even turn my PC off at night like the other guy does
I just tell it to schedule a time for the middle of the night and go from there
I think maybe back in the xp/vista days that happened once or twice, but not in well over a decade now
At least that works for you. I’ve never been able to get windows to respect my “active hours.” Especially on my work laptop - I work overnight, and frequently have to open up a command prompt to override the forced scheduled restart. Even though the active hours thing allows you to put in a day that starts at PM and ends at AM, something about my work day crossing over midnight apparently just makes windows shit its diaper.
Edit: Dang, fuck me for just relaying my experience. Didn’t realize we weren’t allowed to criticize the godOS.
W10. I shut down my pc every night so if it needs to have a rest it will. But I never had it reboot on me in the middle of something like I hear linuxboys fantasize about. The only thing I notice when it’s got an update coming up is that the button says “update and shutdown” instead of just “shutdown”.
It’s fascinating to me how much someone can fanboy/fangirl over a simple computer OS that you’ll straight up smear the facts in favor of your argument. It’s fucking software, use what you want and chill the fuck out. So windows hasn’t forced you to restart because you shut your computer down every night. A lot of people don’t do that since we may still have other processes running while we’re not at the PC. In those cases, windows absolutely will force a restart, and usually at the most inconvenient time. You don’t have that problem because you don’t need your PC to be running overnight, so you shut yours down which mitigates the forced restart issue. And you know that’s what’s happening or you wouldn’t have mentioned it. So stop arguing in bad faith and come up with an actually relevant argument if you’re still planning on being worked up over what OS strangers on the internet use.
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“You’re overreacting to someone overreacting because you called them out on it, lolz” Also, not the definition of irony.
I don’t even have a dog in the race - as annoying as windows is, I still use it. The only Linux machine I have at the moment is my NAS. Not nearly as invested in this as you’re choosing to read into it. My issue was with someone arguing in bad faith.
You raise a good point, I don’t really categorize myself as any OS fanboy, there are plenty of retarded things in windows (scrollbar implementation and focusthieves can eat my ass), but linux users are legitimately the most thin skinned fanboys of all time. As shown by this thread, say a little quip that’s clearly exaggerated and suddenly basements all over the world start echoing mechanical keyboard clackering over it. If linux was reasonable to use and would have an UI even slightly comparable to windows I’d switch in a heartbeat
You show that you’re about 17 and have been using computers like 2 years lol
I’ll take this bait. If your OS requires any experience, it’s badly designed. Using an OS unreasonably difficult doesn’t make you smarter.
So yes then
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Not everyone uses windows just to play solitaire Margret.
From command line it’s “sudo dnf update” for example and if you use flatpak, “flatpak update”, updates everything. Or just click update in software manager.
There are programs that are not compiled/packaged by their developers and you have to do it yourself, but so are on Windows. But for OS from Microsoft noone would mention such program, because compiling on Windows is nightmare in comparason. C for example was designed for Unix-like systems. More high-level languages have less dependency installing, but still.
Nowadays people run WSL to compile programs for Windows and that says something…
EDIT: To people in responses below, don’t get too engaged to something that can be trolling.
There’s even an Update (technical docs) portal so apps can configure themselves to appear to self-update, without actually having to implement self-updating.
Crazy how you say that first paragraph with zero irony. If linux was good or easily accessible it would be used. You can choose which one it’s not.
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Uh so yeah so this turns volume up by one root2 it’s really not that hard haha
You’re just rolling around in stupid for fun
Rolling under linuxboys’ skin yeah, easy access.
Pathetic hobby you got
Pathetic OS you got
As he literally says you can just click update… don’t fucking use it if you don’t want to but then don’t be like “IT SHOULD NOT EXIST CMD LINE BAD!!”
You never have to touch it on most typical distros. At all.
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I find it funny how you say it wasn’t bingbong-SDK and then go on to explain what actually happened, and even that could’ve been a satirical comment I would’ve written.
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I have never needed to use my programming knowledge to use Linux nor have I had an issue with drivers. Dunno what the hate is for, at least Linux works without changing half the values in the registry to make it tolerable or having an active internet connection (it won’t install the OS without making you create a Microsoft account unless you open a secret command prompt to disable the Internet requirement and lie about not having Internet so they can attach all of the information they collect on you to a profile that enables them to deliver more relevant advertisements directly to your operating system)
it won’t install the OS without making you create a Microsoft account
I’m not pro-Windows by any means, but this simply isn’t true.
Yea, kinda. It forces it hard though.
There is no obvious way to skip the MS account. You can select that it is a managed device and create a local user that way, but afaik that’s the last option left and obviously it is there for a very different intention.
I am sure that if MS could remove it completely they would.
You need to open a secret command prompt and type in a command. The person I was replying to is apparently deathly allergic to typing out simple commands in a terminal, so he certainly wouldn’t be able to get around it.
Um, no you don’t. I mean you can do it that way if you want I suppose, but you can just use the good ol’ decline button too (repeatedly, on various screens, with your network cable unplugged. Fuck Windows)
You don’t need to open a secret command prompt or type a command to not install without an account lmao. Linux fanboys just keep on lying to support their dying OS It’s hilarious haha.
“dying”
The world runs quite literally mostly on Linux. The vast majority of servers, all android phones, Chromebooks, and a growing percentage of desktops
Windows on the other hand is literally losing market share. But sure it’s Linux that is dying lol
That’s why valve built steam deck with windows in mind ;)
There is a wrong way to be right about something, and this comment is a great example of that.
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Admittedly I was being unclear, I meant of course on personal use
Huh? I haven’t got a microsoft account on my pc mate.
We have altered the Clock app. Pray we do not alter it further.
It will now report home every timer you’ve ever set, what names you gave them, and what browser tabs were open at the time.
little things like this that would have only gotten updates for one version of windows to another, for ui changes or sumsuch, now get updates frequently, and since they’re ‘store’ updates now, you have even less control over them. it’s rather annoying.
little things like this that would have only gotten updates for one version of windows to another, for ui changes or sumsuch, now get updates frequently, and since they’re ‘store’ updates now, you have even less control over them. it’s rather annoying.
This is actually not a Windows but a general modern development issue. Things need to change. Change! CHAAAAANGE! Value! Effort! Work! Endlessly! GROWTH!
Look at how many apps update every 1-3 days. It’s crazy.
I was hoping once Moore’s law crapped out companies would switch their focus from “CHANGE! FEATURES! MOAR CHANGR11!1” to performance and stability. What a fool I was.
This has driven me nuts about computers for 30 years at least. More things used to be built for a couple lifetimes. I guess capitalism (or maybe stock investments) pushed ever increasing consumption. And so we get this need for everything changing all the time.
Out in my garage I have a set of wood planes that are basically the same design for the last 120 years. My oldest is, I think, 1940s. Stanley is still selling these without any changes because they’re not needed. My newest plane I got in 2022. They don’t need new features. They work.
Software could be like this. Focus on stability first, then performance, then truly helpful, necessary features third. The latter are a lot rarer when you stop changing for the sake of changing.
one mans “rather annoying” is another mans “fucking infuriating”… i’m the other man
Come to linux, we have the ability to update every 10 seconds or never, entirely your choice.
Already am on Linux for the past 5 years ;-)
But my work PC is windows shit, soooo
At least issues with the “work PC” are generally paid.
I hate dealing with Windows issues in my time for free.
i got my dad to let me install Linux on his PC aswell. I told him that i will not come over to fix his windows install ever again but i would be happy to teach him how to use linux. He is very happy on Linux Mint for the last 2 years now aswell
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u mean starting a linux vm on my work pc? that’s not possible. Workplace services shut those things down completely. Can’t install or run anything not blessed by the pope himself.
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yup it sure does… especially since i am working in IT but all my collegues “dont want the hassle of implementing linux machines into the work environment… windows works why do you want linux?” gosh darnit
What are “food windows”?
Operating system
I use food linux, btw
Im a bean linux power user
I use arch beantheway!
Examples of bad grammar.
Incoming the switch to Linux tribe…
For a reason.
I don’t disagree.
For the first time, I am actually dual booting with Mint and using it. Honestly, it wouldn’t be a thing without Proton. Props to Valve!
You haven’t really lived until you’ve played UT2K4 on Hannah Montana linux.
Windows users get so pissy when you tell them they’re doing it wrong.
You should see Linux users when you tell them that the problems they have with Windows haven’t been a thing since XP
How’s that OS spying on you and showing you ads thing going? Is that not a problem anymore?
The ads you only see with a fresh install, which you can click away in less than a minute and never encounter them again in your life?
The ads you can completely circumvent by installing the N version of the Windows OS of your choice?
No, those are no problems what so ever.
No, those are no problems what so ever.
Love how you had to list all the exceptions and workarounds first in your reply, and then state there’s no problems.
Denial is a powerful drug.
I mean, if you want to continue having to deal with things like this, then more power to you.
You guys are just very annoying. We all know linux exists but I kinda like being able to play all games I want without needing to check if my OS can handle it lmao
While the ProtonDB website exists, I’ve never had to check it, every game I purchased through Steam or GoG (Bottles) just ran. /shrug
That’s an old trope you’re wielding around like a club.
Also, as far as the annoying part, it’s not about a competition and we want to win, it’s that we’re trying to pull you out of the water and into the lifeboat, but you keep insisting on drowning in the ocean.
Sir, do you have a minute to talk about our lord and savior Linux?
I get updating the clock app, what I don’t get is why update it like this and why would it take so long that the user felt the need to complain? Also we are getting the update ready for you? So they’re stopping the user use the clock app while they download and prepare the update? Has updating the app even started yet?
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Your formatting convention is… terrifying.
Microsoft is so successful that they turned windows into a meme.
I got you OP. Pull up YouTube. The microwave time for 12 pizza rolls is exactly the length of the song “Scraping the Bottom of the Barrel” by Frank Hudson.
The Hudson Hawk school of timers.
Windows
there’s your problem
Whenever my dad’s tablet gets an OS update it takes about five minutes to “optimize your apps”. I don’t know if it’s effective because the tablet is slow as hell despite being pretty new.
If it is a Samsung, boot into recovery mode and clear cache then optimize apps every time after a system update. It’s annoying but it helps with performance and battery life (my experience is with Samsung, could be an android thing)
For some reason windows will update their own app from their own app store, and then immediately apply another update when you open the app.
Their whole system is so hacked together.
