There was a good comment by @[email protected] the other day on an angry anti-.ml post:
Before joining Lemmy: “It really doesn’t matter what instance you join, you’ll be able to see content from all over.”
After joining Lemmy: “So you’ve enlisted in .world, eh? Welcome to the fight, soldier!”
What’s the beef here? I’m out of the loop.
Lemmy.world is very liberal leaning and defederated from the Marxist aligned instances. Lemmy.ml is more broadly federated and has Marxist mods and admins, and more leftist users in general.
That’s it. Some users make it a fight.
I’m pretty progressive leaning and just joined .world because I had no idea what lemmy was and was tired of reddit but I thought it didn’t matter what one you joined since you can see all the other instances correct? Or am I wrong here, like if I go to All it shows pose from all instances? Have been curious why I have seen so much far left as in comrade leftist post so I guess that adds up if .world is where they mainly hang out. But again I still don’t completely understand lemmy but I enjoy it more than reddit
Instances are like islands, with bridges between others. Some instances sever their bridges to other islands so their citizens can’t see any of that content and the other island’s users can’t comment.
Lemmy.world is defederated from instances like Hexbear.net and Lemmygrad.ml, so you can’t see their comment. Hexbear is mostly an Anarchist and Marxist hangout, Lemmygrad is specifically Marxist-Leninist and takes itself a bit more seriously. Your “All” feed doesn’t show anything from them.
Instances also matter because some have great local feeds based on niche interests, that’s part of why I like Hexbear and find it great to browse locally. .world is more of a Reddit replication.
Great explanation thank you!
No problem!
Wait did world defederare from ml after all? I thought it hadn’t. Because people keep complaining about ml and I still see memes.ml and comments from ml users. Or is it one of these things where federation works in ways that are more complex than most of us assume? Is it that the other instances defederated from world? But I’ve seen ml users comment on my comments. Argh federarion is confusing…
there are multiple instances whose domains end in .ml. lemmygrad.ml and lemmy.ml and the ones that i’m aware of.
lemmy.ml is the primary instance where Lemmy was (and is) originally developed from and that’s usually what they’re referring to when they say .ml
Gotcha thanks
It’s our version of sports teams
Would be more fun for it to be soccer or chess or something, lol
Chess boxing it is
Wild, lmao!
very liberal leaning and defederated
For me, “slight liberal leaning” is more appropriate for them
What exactly are instances? I picked one at random that claimed to be “general purpose” because I didn’t know what I was doing (I migrated very recently)
Instances are like islands, with their own cultures and rules. Hexbear.net, for example, is for Communists and Anarchists to hang out and talk about news, gaming, art, etc, while dbzer0 is an instance focused on piracy, AI, and has a techie anarchist slant, Lemmy.world is very much Reddit 2, etc.
Each of these islands has their own communities, but other islands that are federated can visit these communities. Some instances have strict federation policies like Hexbear.net, which it uses to protect its large trans userbase, while others take the opposite approach like lemm.ee, allowing users to subscribe to any comms across the fediverse they like (that aren’t defederated from lemm.ee, which is generally few).
I recommend finding some instances you are interested in, and browsing locally to see if it would be a good fit for you. Then, check if other instances you are interested in are federated with it, so you can see what you want when sorting by all. In my opinion, the biggest strength of Lemmy is in having niche userbases on the same general page, that can then interact with other instances.
Wait…you can browse instances without making an account??? Whoops, lol, I guess I was a little too eager to get Boost for Lemmy working with an account of my own immediately following Boost for Reddit getting nuked.
Is there a good way to browse instances? (Particularly through Boost?)
Also, what are the instances… literally? Like, I’ve never seen social media have groups like this (tied to the account, and separate from the communities, that is)
Yep, you can browse instances just by visiting their sites! It’s how I signed up to the couple I use, not sure how Boost handles it, I just use my mobile web browser (Hexbear has emojis you can use if you use the web version, so I just use that). I am sorry about not knowing Boost specifically, my fiancé uses Voyager.
As for what instances literally are, they are their own websites and servers, but they can talk to each other, think email. Gmail can talk to protonmail, etc
So, Lemmy is a bunch of separate social media networks that seamlessly* connect to each other? That’s… really cool
There’s currently about 600 lemmy instances, in many different countries, and those countries each have different laws regarding the protection of speech. Some of it is also just power-tripping mods or left-wing / right-wing censorship.
If this is happening to a community you like, you can always switch to the same community in a different instance. Eventually, the “official” community will have the most subscribers and the community with the censorship problems will wither and die.
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.ml has flung no shit. It’s just really loud .world users trying to split communities
Let’s just talk about Rampart
Most based take possible.
Basically “Someone said something I disagree with. Instead of dealing with it or ignoring this user, I want the whole instance to be nuked!”.
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Same…
dbzero on top. even after beefing with and being banned from another instance the admins let us stay federated.
.ml banning the dbzero admin instead of defederating will never not be funny.
“The users are fine, it’s just the admin”
Wasn’t that Hexbear that banned dbzer0? Or was that also Lemmy.ml?
I could be misremembering, but I can see dbzer0 content so I guess both instances came to the same conclusion lmao.
Why did they get banned
.world, hexbear, and another big one all defederated with dbzer0 since they host a lot of piracy and grey area legal content.
Hexbear is federated with dbzer0, I have no idea why you think otherwise. They banned the admins for being Anticommunist, but left it federated because Hexbear is pro-piracy and there are cool dbzer0 users
Ah my bad, might have gotten my instances mixed around, I thought there were three big instances that defederated with dbzer0
There may have been, but Lemmy.ml is fine with Piracy it seems and Hexbear is explicitly pro-piracy.
I think it’s just lemmy.world, and they actually aren’t defederated from dbzer0, they just blocked the piracy community specifically. I think dbzer0 is pretty much fully federated with all the major servers except for lemmygrad. With .world blocking the piracy community, it only affects their users, dbzer0 users can still participate in any lemmy.world content.
Ah okay, thanks! :)
Is this one of those things where lemmy users “remember” things that happened to hexbear, or are you telling me that the dbzero admins also got themselves banned from .ml and dessalines also decided not to defed?
dbzer0, lemmy.zip and lemm.ee have all been consistently great.
The propaganda recycling isn’t great, but it’s at the (VERY) least not any worse than reddit, facebook, or legacy media
The propaganda recycling isn’t great
.ml
lol
As an ex-dbzero, it’s a solid choice!
Solidarity amongst all instances.
Our fediverse comrades.
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The reason corporate social media sucks is its monopolistic nature. “Instance wars” are why lemmy is better than reddit, which consists of exactly one instance.
Yeah, right. That totally makes Lemmy better. It’s so pleasant to always bicker and threaten to defederate from each other. It’s also so unlike Reddit where Subreddits brigade each other and have sub wars. Lemmy is so unique in that… /s
What we need is a strongman to come along and tell everyone what to do.
It’s so inefficient to have these different instances defederating from one another. We should prevent defederation and make it illegal to have redundant instances.
There should be a Chief Efficiency Overlord to make all this happen.
Being yourself? Rad as fuck.
I’ve yet to see any open lemm.ee prejudice anywhere. AFAIK it’s the largest completely inoffensive instance and that’s exactly what I was looking for.
Hell yeah brother ✌️
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There’s 2 things I can’t abide: intolerant communities and the Dutch.
I’ll be pretty annoyed if world and ml break up. I just want to scroll and they’re most of the content.
If everyone on .world just blocked a handful of people, the issue would disappear. It’s mostly a small number of shitheads using a common “enemy” for attention and power.
Real. I just want to shit on cars that I don’t like and glaze Porsche like a good boomer.
It kinda pisses me off tbh. It’s like that friend that has to keep telling you how boring the movie is when you’re just trying to sit and watch it. Like, stfu and go away then, stop trying to be a crab on the bucket for the rest of us.
Hey drama is part of social media, it drives engagement plus we are hashing out this place should work. Also power tripping mods sub is great, solid discussions
it drives engagement
Defenestrate corporate media framing. There are no advertisers to market social media “engagement” to. We are not the product. In fact there is no product, just as there is no customer.
It attracts new blood. People need to be posting and commenting for a place to have a future.
Engagement is just “emotional involvement or commitment”, it’s not necessarily “corporate media framing”. Capitalist platforms abuse this for profit (as they do with everything good), hopefully we can use it to create stronger communities.
Different type of engagement. Not “how lomg you view ads, click rate, view rate, etc” but just posting and commenting.
Is there a federation map somewhere so you can see what instances are federated with each other and which are not?
Yes.
https://federation-checker.vercel.app/
This link lets you type in an Instance name and it will tell you what other Instances allow it and which ones block it.
There’s also this site, which gives you more options for filtering, but also seems to throw up errors pretty consistently in my experience.
In terms of figuring out which instances are cool with one another, this site is also quite useful. It’s a web of trust model that a majority of major instances participate in.
It shows which instances endorse one another, with those instances obviously being federated. It also shows how instances choose to describe/tag themselves, which can give you a better understanding of their general vibe. And it also shows which instances are viewed with suspicion, as they are hesitated or censured by other instances.
@Martineski pinging you
I’d also be interested in knowing that.
Someone answered the comment above with a link, go check it out!
From what I’ve seen, a lot of the toxicity is trickling down from the powermods. Same issue migrated from Reddit.
Probably some of the same powermods doing it
I would bet money that you’re right.
Mods will always be a problem.
I’ve yet to encounter a well adjusted human who voluntarily mods.
Maybe we need a draft.
My preference is for completely community moderated platform.
People essentially vote for content moderation. Likely susceptible to gamification but I’m still interested in seeing it in practice.
Considering the use of downvote bots already, I don’t see that working any better. But then I don’t have any better ideas.
I just think it’s neat.
Ideally the network corrects by users moving away from the drama instances so they don’t get randomly cut off.
Ideally content is properly cross posted. But no big deal if not.
Hopefully some day people can view “shitposting” “All” and be able to see shitposting communities no matter their instance. (Minus those they defederate of course)
I’ve no idea if my instance causes any drama or not. And what if it does in the future?
Anyone unironically surprised by this? Lmao
