I thought I had finally found a healthy drink I liked with no artificial sweetness and they had to go and fuck it up

  • @[email protected]
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    -328 days ago

    Stevia is DISGUSTING and by far the worst non-sugar sweetener. Aspartame is good in my opinion.

    • Ebby
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      1928 days ago

      It’s interesting to read people’s reactions to stevia. I don’t seem to have the same reactions/aftertaste others point out.

      I much prefer stevia over other sweeteners. I wonder if there is some sort of cilantro type thing going on.

      Edit: Turns out stevia can taste different to other people!

      • @[email protected]
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        328 days ago

        Imo stevia is one of the best of the no calorie sweeteners, but since that entire category is absolutely abhorrent that’s sort of like being called the fastest snail.

        • @[email protected]
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          -127 days ago

          I think we have to allow that when you’re raised on sugar like we all were, substitutes are never going to live up.

          However lots of people throughout history didn’t have refined sugar. The ancient Egyptians for example. What would they have thought of stevia?

          I once went on a strict no-carb diet for a few months and a stevia tea at the end of the day was a very enjoyable treat that I looked forward to. Now, having gone back to a normal diet, it doesn’t taste as good.

          So I think habituation is a big part of it.

          • @[email protected]
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            227 days ago

            I mean of course, yes, but since I can’t change my environment or context all I can do is speak on my own perspective informed my own context and experiences.

            Like I’m not sure what your point is here, just that this obviously subjective topic is subjective? Yes, of course it is. And yes of course my response was likewise subjective, but given the inherent nature of the topic the idea of addending “in my opinion” to the end feels extremely unnecessary.

            So again, I don’t disagree with you, but this feels entirely non-sequitur to me.

            • @[email protected]
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              027 days ago

              I’m saying it’s even more than just subjective from one person to the next. I described how I changed my environment and context and how that had an effect. Your opinion can change.

              I think you’re upsetting yourself trying to figure out if I’m agreeing or disagreeing with you but It’s a discussion. People chip in different bits.

                • @[email protected]
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                  027 days ago

                  You disparaged the entire category. Which is a fairly common take. I’m saying that the moment we frame that category as sugar substitutes, in a highly sugar-driven world, the category is bound to compare poorly. It’s more than just subjective, it’s very slanted in one direction - for all of us.

                  But there are other frames of reference we could consider. Such as a world that isn’t saturated with sugar. Or even a personal diet that removes sugar as the frame of reference. “The examined life” that’s supposedly so worth living consists of trying not to just automatically react to the context we are in, but also consider alternatives, right?

                  You’re more than entitled to your opinion, and most share it. I’m just pointing out built-in biases that we all have on this question. If it was hard to figure out how my reply followed from your comment, it might be because I was trying to offer it without invalidating your opinion in any way.

          • @[email protected]
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            120 days ago

            the sweetleaf brand doesnt have the wierd dextrose ingredients that the others have, i used 2 different ones and they all had sugar in it.

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        20 days ago

        you have to be careful of which stevia brand you buy, most of them will contain real sugar, either maltodextrose or dextrose as the ingredient, or the sugar alcohol. i use sweetleaf brand, which is pure stevia. with the other brands with the dextrose you notice its sweeter too.

      • @[email protected]
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        128 days ago

        I’ve had a fresh stevia leaf before, totally amazingly delicious. However i can’t stand it as a sweetener in drinks.

      • DominusOfMegadeus
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        028 days ago

        And none of us can ever really know what anything actually tastes like to anyone else.

        • @[email protected]
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          127 days ago

          And I think we have enough information to say definitively that not everyone experiences every taste exactly the same way.

    • @[email protected]
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      28 days ago

      Stevia does have a bit of an aftertaste, but it’s fine for me in, say, coffee.

      IIRC, the major limiting issue with aspartame is that it’s not heat-stable to the degree that sugar is, so there are a bunch of products that are made with sugar that you can’t make with aspartame, problem for baking.

      kagis

      Yeah:

      https://www.fda.gov/food/food-additives-petitions/aspartame-and-other-sweeteners-food

      Aspartame is not heat stable and loses its sweetness when heated, so it typically isn’t used in baked goods.

      There is no one alternative sweetener that has all of sugar’s properties, just without the calories, which is what people really want.

      Stevia has the aftertaste. Aspartame isn’t heat stable. A lot of the sugar alcohols – like xylitol, which is really common in sugar-free candy – are laxatives, so if you eat that whole bag of candy, you are going to have horrendous diarrhea. You gotta use a patchwork of alternative sweeteners to replace sugar, based on the properties of a particular sugar use.

    • WIZARD POPE💫
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      128 days ago

      I prefer stevia to just regular sugar. I go out of my way when buying soda to get ones with stevia because they just taste better.

    • Possibly linux
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      -428 days ago

      Why wouldn’t you just use sugar

      If you are going to mistreat your body then go big or go home.

      • @[email protected]
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        1428 days ago

        Added sugar is considerably worse for you than any zero calorie sweetener. Don’t give me that IT’S CHEMICALS bullshit either. Aspartame is one of the most tested food additive world wide and it’s not found to be unsafe.

        • @[email protected]
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          428 days ago

          Aspartame gives me headaches. Like “I can’t interact with people” headaches. I’ve tried it a few times and it’s always directly afterwards.

          That said Stevia gives me a reaction like I had 5x the same amount of sugar, so I just have to remember if I’m adding it to something don’t use much or I’ll be hyper and then crash terribly. But at least I don’t get headaches.

          Sugar gives me no problems if I have it in moderation. I generally drink water, but if I have a soda, I have one and I’m done. It’s a treat, not a way of life. Drink water people, it’s actually good for you.

        • Possibly linux
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          128 days ago

          It is all really terrible for you in the long run. There are phycological impacts of sweetness.

          Also drinking anything heavily flavored is problematic for your kidneys and heart. A little coffee or tea isn’t a problem but if you start drinking Soda as a water replacement it will come back to bite you.

          I do agree that terms “artificial”, “chemicals”, “non GMO” and “organic” are BS. Ultimately it is more phycological than anything.

          • @[email protected]
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            128 days ago

            “its all bad in the long run” doesnt mean that one isnt significantly worse. If youre smoking, why not just do meth instead? Both will kill you.

            I dont use sweeteners because of the aftertaste but I wont deny that sugar is much worse for my health. I dont consume enough to make it an actual problem though.

      • @[email protected]
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        28 days ago

        OH MY GOD!!! MASKS!?! It must be rat poison!

        People working with powders should be wearing masks.