China using families as 'hostages' to quash Uyghur dissent abroad
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Refugees and activists tell the BBC intimidation tactics are tearing apart Uyghur communities overseas.
  • @[email protected]
    17•2 years ago

    This, my friend, is the absense of neocon/neolib censorship and propaganda that you were so used to on corporate social media.

    Isn’t it great?

      • @[email protected]
        6•2 years ago

        As long as you don’t question that the enemies of US imperialism deserve it you should be mostly fine. The big geopolitical topics are more sensitive.

        I was permabanned from multiple subs for sharing this telegraph article for example:

        https://web.archive.org/web/20230701133656/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html

        It differs from sub to sub but the bigger and more political the stronger the imperial narrative is enforced.

        r/worldnews is one of the worst, and honestly suspect its astroturf and run by assets or a derivative of an imperial institution (council on foreign relation, think tanks, the likes)

        • @[email protected]
          -2•2 years ago

          There are literally pictures of bloodshed.

          I legitimately don’t understand why Leninists are so keen on making folk heroes out of tyrants. Why exert the energy to defend this shit instead of learning from it and building a better class of socialist??

          • ImOnADiet🇵🇸 (He/Him)
            4•2 years ago

            I’ll listen to western leftists when we actually take power and have to learn to use it to defend ourselves, currently we have a big fat 0 in the wins department

          • @[email protected]
            4•2 years ago

            There are literally pictures of bloodshed.

            Not in the Square itself, which was the scene of many absurd claims by defectors, like the “tanks crushing people to wash them down the gutters” cartoon bullshit.

            Here are interviews with some of the leaders of the protest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu3zmbFGwQA

          • @[email protected]
            2•2 years ago

            I legitimately don’t understand why Leninists are so keen on making folk heroes out of tyrants.

            What a sentence! You’re jumping to conclusions all over the place!

            You’re conflating information with a desire to “make folk heroes out of tyrants”, trying to denormalise a desire to understand what was actually happening.

            There was bloodshed but not on the Tienanmen square and the conditions are less clear than you believe

            It is obvious that most peoples idea of what happened is heavily influenced by propaganda, I know mine was.

            If you could stop sabotaging efforts to cut through the disinformation that would be great thanks

            Also: “They are tyrants” thanks I’ll defer judgement as long as the evidence you present us with turns out to be propaganda, there are other “tyrannical governments” much more in reach

            • @[email protected]
              -1•2 years ago

              A big part of my gripe here is precisely the idea that one can engage in critical analysis of statecraft, while hand waving away inconvenient statecraft. Or worse - supporting broad censorship of inconvenient statecraft.

    • @[email protected]
      -5•2 years ago

      Isn’t ironic how tankies are entirely fueled by propaganda but they always bitch about propaganda (aka anything they don’t like including facts)

      • @[email protected]
        2•2 years ago

        Lol standard halfwit take:

        Adopting the “tankie” slur for everyone without substance and obviously no knowledge of what they are talking about - check

        Being embedded in propaganda and blaming others who point it out - check

        “You’re not including facts” - lol for what? Am I responding to a factual argument? Am I demanding facts from you?

        But sure have some facts:

        Guardian from 2011 - Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media

        Intercept from 2014 - HACKING ONLINE POLLS AND OTHER WAYS BRITISH SPIES SEEK TO CONTROL THE INTERNET

        Believe me it has only gotten worse in the >10 years since

        Twitter files revealed pentagon bots were whitelisted as well

        If you miss your propaganda friends that hard reddit is still there for you

        Edit: I realize your missing punctuation threw me off, I read: “(aka anything, they don’t like including facts)” …doesn’t change much though