Don’t most them don’t have a mechanical way to open the door? Like if the battery dies or there is a software glitch you legit can’t open the fucking door. Ppl have literally died cause their shit ass doors only unlock electrically.

now everyones reporting issues with the regular cars to, that they dint do it for years?

Comfortable is subjective. Model Y suspension was certainly crashy when I rented one for half an hour for the lulz

I did not. Not the cockpit. I’m sure it’s bad as well. For me any touch control in the car is bad news.

And with a virtual assistant.

Looks like the average Euro EV is ~44k and the dolphin comes in under 30k, under 25k in UK…

It definitely doesn’t have all the bells and whistles, but it’s a shit ton cheaper.

The people writing reviews for brand new cars have a target demographic: people that routinely buy new cars.

The majority of people won’t have the same priorities, especially these days.

The problem with auto reviews is that they are all advertising. They never mention reliability as a concern. Australia killed off local GM and Ford production and they brought in Chinese EVs two years ago. Consensus already is that they don’t last.

BYD’s biggest advantage is the government subsidies it gets from China. In the EU, they get tariffed to protect local automotive companies from unfair competition (I.e nation-state supported automotive companies that can literally sell their cars at a loss). Thus, BYD loses its appeal.

They usually compare it to cars of a similar size, instead of similar price. and yeah, when you’re buying a car of the same size that’s 5k cheaper, you’re getting less car.

To the uninformed sure.

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The stock market is a cult. Company valuations have detached from any sense of use-value reality - most of the stock markets’values is derived from how much money a stock might make and not what value a company provides to society. Valuations don’t even mirror how much revenue potential companies have, but make it up based on future revenue potential, which can be easily manipulated to simply create wealth. It’s been this way for a long time, but the extent of the situation has lost nearly any attachment to reality.

Simplicity, TCO, performance. Also the boot size and back seat space of the Model Y are pretty great.

Okay there’s nothing wrong with the Kona Electric, but neither of these cars is “better” than Tesla.

They are cheaper though. So that’s a perfectly good reason to get them instead of Tesla. You want better than Tesla, you have to look at Germany, Sweden or… Maybe the UK? Jaguar made some pretty OK EVs, which they unfortunately cancelled, but I do believe they’re planning to revise their entire strategy to become EV-only now?

Ah actually, the Hyundai Ioniq lineup deserves a look too, if you’re looking for something “better than Tesla” (well, comparable, anyway), without paying Mercedes or Volvo prices. The Ioniq 5 I test drove was quite fine, for a Korean car. Interior was nicer than Tesla’s IMO, there was an OK amount of power for the lowest spec model. Battery is big enough to facilitate roadtrips, or to commute several days, probably over a week, without charging (so if you forget to plug it in at home you don’t have to run to a quick charger that costs more + is worse for the battery). I will however say that the 2020 Hyundai Ioniq 5 was not nearly as comfortable as the 2003 Mercedes E-Class I drove home after the test drive. That’s what sucks about EVs for now, you can’t yet get super cheap depreciated executive/luxury ones for low enough prices that they’re essentially disposable and you’re not too worried if an expensive part breaks. And if you DO get an Audi E-tron for super cheap, you’re liable for a battery replacement that costs way more than the residual value of the car itself :(

Hyundai I’ve tested, although not Kona but Ioniq. It was ok, but not better than Tesla.

My understanding is that they also aim that way to reduce moving parts - since knobs, buttons, and switches are more likely to fail after 5000 uses. That, and they can update touchscreens to do whatever they want differently, like serve up ads.

It’s a cost thing. It’s cheaper to get a shitty commodity touch screen from Alibaba and slap it in a cheap bezel, hook it up to a potato, and then just outsource the design and functionality to the code team in India. It’s more expensive to actually do the industrial design to fit physical buttons and dials and source all the components required for the same. Engineers are obsessed with screens because their bosses are obsessed with cost.

It’s the consumers, not the engineers, who go all starry-eyed and get so easily wowed over a crappy $12 touch panel with shit for pixel density and fuck-all for viewing angles, because they’re the ones who have been bamboozled into believing this is all “futuristic.” Most people aren’t tech savvy enough to realize they’re being sold cheap bullshit at a premium.

Well the way he framed it. As in you still need your phone in an holder. I figured you can’t properly control your music from Tesla. Can’t easily make calls, Bad support for other apps. I’ve never really experienced a Tesla properly, and I would way too ashamed to do so nowadays. So I don’t really know the experience very well.

At $10 or less a month, (It’s $99 for a year, $9.99 for a month) it’s cheaper than using a gig of data on many non-unlimited plans. It’s at least a better deal than the price-equivalent GM OnStar plan for example.

For Tesla, I believe the only feature locked behind the subscription (won’t work unless subscribed, even with a separate hotspot) other than live traffic is the Tesla-app based bandwidth-intensive stuff like viewing the sentry cameras remotely, but I don’t have a definitive list.

I think the nav will take traffic into account when navigating, even if you don’t subscribe, but it won’t show you traffic. I’m not sure on that though, it may have been true a while ago and changed.

Unless it has escaped your attention, USA is not an ally of EU anymore except on paper. USA vs China is about the same to us now.
Traditionally EU has allowed USA a lot of leeway to spy on us through their technologies, under the assumption that USA was an ally, but it’s actually USA we are trying to prevent from continuing that spying we know for sure they do.
We do not have evidence of similar Chinese spying.

So there you go, it’s OK you don’t want either Chinese or European cars as an American, but to be honest, the American cars have already been documented to spy on Americans, passing data on to American authorities, which for instance resulted in the destruction of a Waymo car at a demonstration.
So for Americans everything OTHER than an American car might actually be preferable in that regard!!!

So as I see it, you are the one who is naive and ignorant.
They may all spy, but the only ones we know do it for sure are the Americans, and then the question is who is the biggest threat, and right now that too is the US government, that shows a complete disregard for both law, human rights and humanitarian issues and allies and agreements and democracy.

That is all new cars, regardless of propulsion method or manufacturer. Your data will be sold, traded, aggregated, deanonymized and sold again as long as world goverments don’t put a stop to the current surveillance economy.

A small battery charges relatively slower, think of the small battery as only 1 element, and the larger battery consisting of 2 elements charging in parallel.
The best the small battery can ever achieve is to charge equally fast to 100%, but 100% is only half the power. But the big battery can charge the same amount of power in half the time.